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Posted January 02, 2016
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zeogold: Honestly, I've never understood why some of the people on here are so touchy about it. It's always been around and it's always going to be around, and if it wasn't around, chances are that we'd eventually get a whole pack of idiots who'd pirate like mad. Annoying, yes, but it's not so evil we need to break out the pitchforks and torches about it.
Plus, if you're THAT convinced you don't want to give them your money, why not just set the slider to donate all of your money to charity?
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Mr.Caine: You're on the internet-the land of extremists.
What's so extreme about wanting to be treated like a customer rather than a potential thief?
Posted January 02, 2016
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Mr.Caine: You're on the internet-the land of extremists.
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ncameron: What's so extreme about wanting to be treated like a customer rather than a potential thief?
Probably that's what ended us up with Steam to begin with. People acting like we are extremists... only for asking for our most basic rights in buying a product.
Posted January 02, 2016
Humble has some unusual qualities that sometimes make it work. I'm glad to see there is at least support for screen shots now and it's not always leaning on movies for everything. It's pretty inconsistent though. Overall it's kind of a weird place to shop. It's more of the place you go to get a good deal when you already know what stuff is. It's about the least useful site when trying to browse titles.

I certainly have used HB, but if someone said I had to obliterate it or GoG I would definitely be keeping GoG. The sell everything to everyone is kind of nice to a point, but I think it's kind of short sighted. Especially the key inclusion with DRM-free titles.

That sounds like a nice idea on the surface, but I feel like it just ends up shoring up all the key based services while doing little to nothing to actually promote the idea of being DRM-free. It feels like it's more to take advantage of DRM-free people than it is anything that is actually helping us. HB is willing to give us anything and everything because they don't really give a crap about anything but selling games in the here and now. At least, I don't see how they could care about much of anything else. If that is to promote charities or make money I don't know, but I really don't think HB is doing a whole lot to further a drm-free agenda.

I kind of think the only reason DRM-free is a serious thing at all is because GoG has shown it can work (if only to a point with smaller and older games.) Even with that I don't think anyone else could be expected to "pick up the torch" should GoG go under and I think the idea of DRM-free would bleed heavily if that were to happen. If HB went under, I think there will always be somebody willing to be the everything to everyone type, and others looking to toss wads of stuff into a bag and slap a low price on it.
Posted January 02, 2016
I prefer GOG's presentation and consistency.
Posted January 02, 2016
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zeogold: I still say Humble is better. Don't want the Steam keys? Don't use them! Or just give them away. It's still much cheaper for the games you ARE getting.
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PookaMustard: Sorry, I don't want Steam keys regardless of the price. If I do get one, I can give or trade away, but I'm pretty sure that a bundle that's full of Steam games to the brim is not exactly a bundle I would buy. Note that by "Steam games" I mean Steam only keys, no DRM-free downloads.
Oh, that's what you mean? I dunno, maybe I just haven't been around long enough, but a majority of games I've seen offered on bundles usually include a DRM-free copy, and if they don't, they aren't available outside of Steam anyways, so it's not like they have any other choice.
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zeogold: And honestly, the more I think about it, the more I realize that the lack of decent support doesn't really matter that much and I can see why they don't care. Why am I going to go whine about one game that I can't get to work when I already got $50+ worth of games otherwise? If I can't get that ONE to work, they're not about to refund me for the whole bundle.
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PookaMustard: Heh, I didn't talk refunds by the way. I just said 'support' as in 'support'. The staff themselves. As I know, they couldn't help me with an issue in time of purchasing that bundle. Dun dun. Plus, nice logic you got there. what if that one game that doesn't work out of the other $50+ games you have is the game that drove you to buy the bundle? It could be a mediocre bundle of RPGs with Final Fantasy V in the middle, a gem, and, you're gonna shrug it off when it doesn't work just because you have other mediocre games from that bundle? Heh.
Actually, yes, I would shrug it off. I could always either trade it for something better or consider it a gift to my friends (most of which aren't as jaded as you guys, no offense, and don't care about Steam's drawbacks).
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zeogold: That's ridiculous. Plus, if you're not paranoid about DRM, you use the Steam key as sort of your "backup" copy.
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PookaMustard: Why do I ever need a Steam key as a 'backup' copy? If I got the game DRM-free, from anywhere, I don't need a backup of any sorts that relies on a DRM service. The Steam key is at best, a code to be thrown away in a giveaway or sold.
Fair enough. I just consider it my "backup" since I'm fine with Steam. Similarly with the Telltale games which also give you a Telltale key.
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zeogold: And seriously, who cares about bitcoins? I didn't know people actually used those things.
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PookaMustard: I don't know how many are there who care about bitcoins, but apparently they're there no doubt. Don't shrug it off just because you don't use it. The fact that I'm right in front of you talking about bitcoins is enough to make you doubt what you said.
Eh, I still doubt it. Not to change the topic of the thread, bitcoins have gotten nowhere so far and I seriously doubt they'll ever go anywhere. Even at that though, you mentioned that Humble includes them, which is actually another point to them over GOG. Just sayin'.
Posted January 02, 2016
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comboplayer: If you are OCD about DRM which most of developers will never give up on you will lose a hell-lot-of-games.
Who isnt liking the current Enix Bundle ?
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seppelfred: I have principles.
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
Posted January 02, 2016
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zeogold: +0 for nearly useless friend system
How do you mean?
Posted January 02, 2016
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ncameron: What's so extreme about wanting to be treated like a customer rather than a potential thief?
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PookaMustard: Probably that's what ended us up with Steam to begin with. People acting like we are extremists... only for asking for our most basic rights in buying a product.
Or because people with lower morals than you will readily pirate games. I'm not saying it'll happen, but theoretically, what's to stop another site like Napster popping up, except for games rather than music?
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zeogold: +0 for nearly useless friend system
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HunchBluntley: How do you mean?
It doesn't really do anything unless you're trying to limit who can chat you. And even at that, you can block whoever you want anyways. It's not like it adds anything extra by adding them as a friend (at least, without Galaxy, anyways, which I'm not sure of the features).
Post edited January 02, 2016 by zeogold
Posted January 02, 2016
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zeogold: It doesn't really do anything unless you're trying to limit who can chat you. And even at that, you can block whoever you want anyways. It's not like it adds anything extra by adding them as a friend (at least, without Galaxy, anyways, which I'm not sure of the features).
Meh. As GOG continues to add Galaxy-related community features, Friends lists will probably start to have more of a point. Not that I care, as a non-Galaxy-user. But some people just like to collect Friends, I guess, even if they don't interact with them. : )
Post edited January 02, 2016 by HunchBluntley
Posted January 02, 2016
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zeogold: It doesn't really do anything unless you're trying to limit who can chat you. And even at that, you can block whoever you want anyways. It's not like it adds anything extra by adding them as a friend (at least, without Galaxy, anyways, which I'm not sure of the features).
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HunchBluntley: Meh. As GOG continues to add Galaxy-related community features, Friends lists will probably start to have more of a point. Not that I care, as a non-Galaxy-user. But some people just like to collect Friends, I guess, even if they don't interact with them. : )
In Galaxy, sure, they might have more of a purpose, but as it stands, they're not that great for anything, and limiting your chat to them actually hinders some of your ability for participating in the community.
Posted January 02, 2016
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zeogold: Or because people with lower morals than you will readily pirate games. I'm not saying it'll happen, but theoretically, what's to stop another site like Napster popping up, except for games rather than music?
...You mean like the torrent sites that have served that purpose for years?
Posted January 02, 2016
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zeogold: Or because people with lower morals than you will readily pirate games. I'm not saying it'll happen, but theoretically, what's to stop another site like Napster popping up, except for games rather than music?
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HunchBluntley: ...You mean like the torrent sites that have served that purpose for years?
I have no idea what those are.
Posted January 02, 2016
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zeogold: Oh, that's what you mean? I dunno, maybe I just haven't been around long enough, but a majority of games I've seen offered on bundles usually include a DRM-free copy, and if they don't, they aren't available outside of Steam anyways, so it's not like they have any other choice.
The point I'm making is, some bundles are full of Steam keys that already I'm put off by the thought of buying the bundle. If the games offered were exclusively the DRM-free ones, that'd be an extra point for Humble Bundle, but as it stands, every week and two weeks, I hope for a bundle that is actually good and not a fest of Steam keys.

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zeogold: Actually, yes, I would shrug it off. I could always either trade it for something better or consider it a gift to my friends (most of which aren't as jaded as you guys, no offense, and don't care about Steam's drawbacks).
I wouldn't shrug it off if the game that I wanted and bought the entire bundle for turned out to be broken or unplayable or whatever. By the way, by the time I find that the game is broken, it is beyond trading or gifting. WELCOME TO STEAM. Also, before you keep saying I'm jaded and I care too much about Steam's drawbacks, I'll let you know I got burned by DRM, Steam, Origin and Uplay, so badly that DRM is now a decisive force in my purchases. Its not that I'm jaded or whatever, its that I tried the deal, got burned by the deal later, and decided not to get burned by the deal again.

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zeogold: Fair enough. I just consider it my "backup" since I'm fine with Steam. Similarly with the Telltale games which also give you a Telltale key.
My question is, why would you consider a Steam key a 'backup' if you have DRM-free copies, which can be backed up like mad and to an extent far beyond a mere one-time consumable Steam key?

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zeogold: Eh, I still doubt it. Not to change the topic of the thread, bitcoins have gotten nowhere so far and I seriously doubt they'll ever go anywhere. Even at that though, you mentioned that Humble includes them, which is actually another point to them over GOG. Just sayin'.
Doubt however you like, its not my business. What I do know is that bitcoin is being used, and catering to Bitcoin users is indeed a point to Humble Bundle as I stated in my initial post! However, I still decided that GOG is just the better service. By the way, I've used everything besides battle.net and whatever else that I probably didn't come by. Steam, Origin, Uplay, Humble Bundle, Desura, GOG, itch.io, Gamersgate. Of all of these, GOG and Humble Bundle (the DRM-free titles) are my tops, followed by itch.io, then Desura, and then Origin last (if only for Battlefield games).
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zeogold: Or because people with lower morals than you will readily pirate games. I'm not saying it'll happen, but theoretically, what's to stop another site like Napster popping up, except for games rather than music?
Look, people will always pirate games. Pirating a Steam game is easy as pita. You simply don't want to know how EASY it is to pirate Steam games even with its DRM in effect. How easy it is to crack any Steam game even as someone who can't reverse engineer things (I'm assuming you can't, obviously). In the end though, even after buying the game, I'm treated like a potential pirate as the guy said. So I put my money where I'm treated like a customer. GOG seems to be the best fit for the bill.
Post edited January 02, 2016 by PookaMustard
Posted January 02, 2016
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zeogold: Oh, that's what you mean? I dunno, maybe I just haven't been around long enough, but a majority of games I've seen offered on bundles usually include a DRM-free copy, and if they don't, they aren't available outside of Steam anyways, so it's not like they have any other choice.
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PookaMustard: The point I'm making is, some bundles are full of Steam keys that already I'm put off by the thought of buying the bundle. If the games offered were exclusively the DRM-free ones, that'd be an extra point for Humble Bundle, but as it stands, every week and two weeks, I hope for a bundle that is actually good and not a fest of Steam keys.
Wait, sorry, do you mean the games, or the keys? As in, are you hoping for NO Steam key at all to be included, or just for the DRM-free version to be included as well?

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zeogold: Actually, yes, I would shrug it off. I could always either trade it for something better or consider it a gift to my friends (most of which aren't as jaded as you guys, no offense, and don't care about Steam's drawbacks).
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PookaMustard: I wouldn't shrug it off if the game that I wanted and bought the entire bundle for turned out to be broken or unplayable or whatever. By the way, by the time I find that the game is broken, it is beyond trading or gifting. WELCOME TO STEAM. Also, before you keep saying I'm jaded and I care too much about Steam's drawbacks, I'll let you know I got burned by DRM, Steam, Origin and Uplay, so badly that DRM is now a decisive force in my purchases. Its not that I'm jaded or whatever, its that I tried the deal, got burned by the deal later, and decided not to get burned by the deal again.
Hm? I'm not talking about the game itself, just the DRM-free copy. I've had a couple of games where the DRM-free version didn't work but the Steam one did. And I can't speak for Origin or Uplay since I know nothing about them, I'm just talking about Steam here. Could you explain how you got burned by it? I'm curious to see why you're so negative about it all.
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zeogold: Fair enough. I just consider it my "backup" since I'm fine with Steam. Similarly with the Telltale games which also give you a Telltale key.
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PookaMustard: My question is, why would you consider a Steam key a 'backup' if you have DRM-free copies, which can be backed up like mad and to an extent far beyond a mere one-time consumable Steam key?
See above.
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zeogold: Eh, I still doubt it. Not to change the topic of the thread, bitcoins have gotten nowhere so far and I seriously doubt they'll ever go anywhere. Even at that though, you mentioned that Humble includes them, which is actually another point to them over GOG. Just sayin'.
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PookaMustard: Doubt however you like, its not my business. What I do know is that bitcoin is being used, and catering to Bitcoin users is indeed a point to Humble Bundle as I stated in my initial post! However, I still decided that GOG is just the better service. By the way, I've used everything besides battle.net and whatever else that I probably didn't come by. Steam, Origin, Uplay, Humble Bundle, Desura, GOG, itch.io, Gamersgate. Of all of these, GOG and Humble Bundle (the DRM-free titles) are my tops, followed by itch.io, then Desura, and then Origin last (if only for Battlefield games).
For me, I have no idea what battle.net even is. I've only ever used three services: GOG, Humble Bundle, and Steam. For everyone else, either I don't trust them or they don't sell games that I'm interested in.
Posted January 02, 2016
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zeogold: Oh, that's what you mean? I dunno, maybe I just haven't been around long enough, but a majority of games I've seen offered on bundles usually include a DRM-free copy, and if they don't, they aren't available outside of Steam anyways, so it's not like they have any other choice.
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PookaMustard: The point I'm making is, some bundles are full of Steam keys that already I'm put off by the thought of buying the bundle. If the games offered were exclusively the DRM-free ones, that'd be an extra point for Humble Bundle, but as it stands, every week and two weeks, I hope for a bundle that is actually good and not a fest of Steam keys.

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zeogold: Actually, yes, I would shrug it off. I could always either trade it for something better or consider it a gift to my friends (most of which aren't as jaded as you guys, no offense, and don't care about Steam's drawbacks).
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PookaMustard: I wouldn't shrug it off if the game that I wanted and bought the entire bundle for turned out to be broken or unplayable or whatever. By the way, by the time I find that the game is broken, it is beyond trading or gifting. WELCOME TO STEAM. Also, before you keep saying I'm jaded and I care too much about Steam's drawbacks, I'll let you know I got burned by DRM, Steam, Origin and Uplay, so badly that DRM is now a decisive force in my purchases. Its not that I'm jaded or whatever, its that I tried the deal, got burned by the deal later, and decided not to get burned by the deal again.

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zeogold: Fair enough. I just consider it my "backup" since I'm fine with Steam. Similarly with the Telltale games which also give you a Telltale key.
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PookaMustard: My question is, why would you consider a Steam key a 'backup' if you have DRM-free copies, which can be backed up like mad and to an extent far beyond a mere one-time consumable Steam key?

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zeogold: Eh, I still doubt it. Not to change the topic of the thread, bitcoins have gotten nowhere so far and I seriously doubt they'll ever go anywhere. Even at that though, you mentioned that Humble includes them, which is actually another point to them over GOG. Just sayin'.
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PookaMustard: Doubt however you like, its not my business. What I do know is that bitcoin is being used, and catering to Bitcoin users is indeed a point to Humble Bundle as I stated in my initial post! However, I still decided that GOG is just the better service. By the way, I've used everything besides battle.net and whatever else that I probably didn't come by. Steam, Origin, Uplay, Humble Bundle, Desura, GOG, itch.io, Gamersgate. Of all of these, GOG and Humble Bundle (the DRM-free titles) are my tops, followed by itch.io, then Desura, and then Origin last (if only for Battlefield games).
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zeogold: Or because people with lower morals than you will readily pirate games. I'm not saying it'll happen, but theoretically, what's to stop another site like Napster popping up, except for games rather than music?
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PookaMustard: Look, people will always pirate games. Pirating a Steam game is easy as pita. You simply don't want to know how EASY it is to pirate Steam games even with its DRM in effect. How easy it is to crack any Steam game even as someone who can't reverse engineer things (I'm assuming you can't, obviously). In the end though, even after buying the game, I'm treated like a potential pirate as the guy said. So I put my money where I'm treated like a customer. GOG seems to be the best fit for the bill.
I am curious though, Steam has recently introduced a limited system of refunds for games. Does that change your mind in any way regarding your sentiment about broken games on Steam?
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