Posted December 01, 2015
Klumpen0815: Imho the currently reestablished nationalism nearly everywhere in the western world is a sign, that globalisation still doesn't work because the cultures and conditions on this planet are way too different for this. It's only logical that local problems have priority, Switzerland is run by this for ages and it's still the way to go until humanity is ready for a united planet, which it certainly isn't and probably won't be for quite a while.
Trilarion: Sounds about right although I'm not very optimistic about (populistic) nationalism as the way to go. In my eyes it's a dead end and a dangerous path at the same time. It cannot be the answer to globalization and I hope I can avoid it. I really would not like to live in a closed, intolerant, one-sided society like [choose one of: Hungary, Turkey, Russia, ...]. I feel like actually I'm at home a bit everywhere although more here of course. It doesn't mean I don't have values. But I feel to connected to all people around the world who share my values, whereever they are. That's the crucial point. And I feel kind of opposed to all people who do not share these value, also when living where I live. It doesn't mean I agree to endless migration, but I don't want to live in a country that does not allow any migration at all. There must exist a good middle ground to react to globalization and not rampant nationalism like we see now.
It's not a nice thing, but invisible walls are protecting us from more than you can imagine.
Trilarion: The funny thing is that nationalism runs extremely high in many countries that have a very low amount of people with migration background like Poland. It's a miracle to me what the voters in Poland are actually fearing now, with their low amount of immigrants? Either it is a very abstract fear or a lot of (unfounded - it's always unfounded) nationalistic pride. But it's not true. Russians aren't better than Poles who aren't better than French who aren't better than Americans or Chinese or Japanese who aren't better than anyone else.
In order to establish a united planet, we'd have to get rid of every fascist aspect of current cultures and ironically especcially the radical "left" is preventing this thanks to media manipulations and a lack of education just as their similar "right" wing. Both are just two sides of the same coin and this coin isn't worth very much in the rating system of our rulers but very convenient if you got enough of those. Everything that rates a human's worth by stuff like where he comes from, where he's living, sex, sexual orientation, etc... would have to be completely removed without trying to implement some counter bullshit that only makes the problem worse, especcially in the abrahamitic religions and the laws of many countries - unfortunately people are not willing to do this because "tradition". I'm not even able to get many people to read the Quran and think about how much fascism is part of it and to which problems it does lead although it's so extremely obvious even without looking at actual events.
The whole principle of "we are better then them" would have to be removed from all human culture and humans aren't even able to do this with their own f***ing species, don't let me get me started with how they are handling this with other species, it's really sad.
Trilarion: Well, let's see where this will lead to, but let's not say I did not warn before the uprising nationalism. The day a nationalistic party takes over in Germany will be the day I emigrate to Canada and seek asylum there.
I'd probably to the same, although I'm still trying to decide between Canada and Wales. I have no future in Germany as it is now anyway as it seems, it's just too expensive to start an artisan business here.
Post edited December 01, 2015 by Klumpen0815