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You puny mortals have such silly problems
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tinyE: Yes it will, but MP is a bitch. Jesus cheats at Mortal Kombat.
I'm not so sure about that cause Jesus will not fight back but turn the other cheek, as for the Age of Empires... well it's a different story.
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Cadaver747: I wonder will my GOG DRM free games catalog transfer to hell/paradise/other dimension after my physical body transition during decaying or most preferably incineration process. Does anybody know if it covered by GOG already?
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tinyE: Yes it will, but MP is a bitch. Jesus cheats at Mortal Kombat.
He's classy about it, too.
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mechmouse: http://www.internationallawoffice.com/Newsletters/IT-Internet/Germany/Osborne-Clarke/Court-rules-Valve-may-prohibit-Steam-account-transfers

I spent a long time trying to get hard details but failed.

From what I understand, a Nintendo case was referenced. Personally it reeks of legal manoeuvring. As I said the case was dismissed, neither plaintiff of defendant "won". VALVe has got themselves a few more years breathing room while connected cases are concluded and the VZBV raise enough fund to try again.
So you were as lucky as I was ;)

Funny enough, in the beginning they talk about transfer of user account, which is not at all what the EC ruling is about, and as I stated above. I was hoping that it would contain a AZ (AKtenzeichen/case reference number)......
But by the sound of it, the vzbz did choose a bad case or they were trying to get another case to broaden the original EC ruling (which sounds like what happened).

The ECJ ruling was only about the right to sell a used copy and not about selling an account ,which I doubt they ever allow. Why? This would create a real mess as everything what the user typed/posted/shared is under copyright protection. And if he published like photos, to which he had the rights but might not be transferable rights (i.e. family photos), this would really create a big mess.
But about single programs, even bundled, this does not apply.

PS: Where did you get the Nintendo part from? :O
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mechmouse: http://www.internationallawoffice.com/Newsletters/IT-Internet/Germany/Osborne-Clarke/Court-rules-Valve-may-prohibit-Steam-account-transfers

I spent a long time trying to get hard details but failed.

From what I understand, a Nintendo case was referenced. Personally it reeks of legal manoeuvring. As I said the case was dismissed, neither plaintiff of defendant "won". VALVe has got themselves a few more years breathing room while connected cases are concluded and the VZBV raise enough fund to try again.
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Goodaltgamer: So you were as lucky as I was ;)

Funny enough, in the beginning they talk about transfer of user account, which is not at all what the EC ruling is about, and as I stated above. I was hoping that it would contain a AZ (AKtenzeichen/case reference number)......
But by the sound of it, the vzbz did choose a bad case or they were trying to get another case to broaden the original EC ruling (which sounds like what happened).

The ECJ ruling was only about the right to sell a used copy and not about selling an account ,which I doubt they ever allow. Why? This would create a real mess as everything what the user typed/posted/shared is under copyright protection. And if he published like photos, to which he had the rights but might not be transferable rights (i.e. family photos), this would really create a big mess.
But about single programs, even bundled, this does not apply.

PS: Where did you get the Nintendo part from? :O
The silly thing is. In the first VZBV case the Judge ruled you should be able to transfer games, but VALVe should have the financial burden of doing so.

The whole digital ownership thing needs proper government policy.
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Goodaltgamer: PS: Where did you get the Nintendo part from? :O
Can find the post about where VALVe used the Nintendo case as part of the dismissal claim, but have found a post about the Nintendo vs PC Box case

http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/still-on-cjeu-nintendo-ruling-and-its.html

ABout 1/2 way down it says about usedsoft
Post edited October 27, 2016 by mechmouse
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mechmouse: snip
Shit, that gave me a laugh!!!!!

Nintendo ........only ever utilises technological protection measures which are both necessary and proportionate to prevent widespread piracy of its intellectual property"

Trying to find the original case......
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mechmouse: snip
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Goodaltgamer: Shit, that gave me a laugh!!!!!

Nintendo ........only ever utilises technological protection measures which are both necessary and proportionate to prevent widespread piracy of its intellectual property"

Trying to find the original case......
Yep the DS and Wii are the most pirated consoles ever, yet both hold the title of most successful and the majority of top 20 most successful games ever are on those platforms.
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Leroux: I can relate to that if it's about physical objects in the house, but I don't attach sentimental value to a digital copy of a game. There might be memories attached to the game itself, but it hardly matters whether the copy you're playing comes from the harddisk of a loved one or from somewhere else.
It is not necessarily about sentimental value (even if it could be about that too, e.g, games your offspring remembers playing together with you as a kid), but also monetary value.

Let's say you know someone who'd like your GOG (or Steam) games. Wouldn't it be quite a lot of monetary value to them if you could pass the games to them after your death? How much would it cost them to buy them all over again, or what if they couldn't even buy them anymore, ie. they were not sold anywhere anymore (like Descent games at the moment)?

Let's pretend for awhile that piracy was not an option. If it was, then just as well any movies, music collections etc. wouldn't have any meaning as they can be pirated too. Even books, as electronic versions.

You have a point though that electonic goods (content) could be received from somewhere else just as well and the memories would be the same, while your grandfather's cuckoo clock can't be replicated fully.


ANYWAY, what I am more concerned about is my old porn video collection (you know, from the times when people actually used to store pr0n videos from the net, and not just watching them on some pron youtube channel). Do I remember and do I have a chance to destroy them just before I die?

Maybe I just need to keep them on some encrypted hard disk that hopefully can't be unencrypted in the future. I wouldn't want my grandchildren to find out what kind of pr0n their old grandpapa fancied.

Those who have seen the movie 8MM, you get the idea (even without the snuff aspect).
Post edited October 27, 2016 by timppu
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timppu: Let's say you know someone who'd like your GOG (or Steam) games. Wouldn't it be quite a lot of monetary value to them if you could pass the games to them after your death? How much would it cost them to buy them all over again, or what if they couldn't even buy them anymore, ie. they were not sold anywhere anymore (like Descent games at the moment)?
I guess I just don't know anyone who'd really care about this stuff after my death. I have enough of a hard time trying to convince other people to play the games I enjoyed while I'm still alive. ;)


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Cadaver747: I wonder will my GOG DRM free games catalog transfer to hell/paradise/other dimension after my physical body transition during decaying or most preferably incineration process. Does anybody know if it covered by GOG already?
I'm afraid, there's only Starforce and SecuRom in hell.
Post edited October 27, 2016 by Leroux
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Leroux: Starforce
Oh god I forgot about that disaster, the worst DRM of all.
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Leroux: I'm afraid, there's only Starforce and SecuRom in hell.
There is no problem with Starfoce or SecuRom in hell, there are 486DX2/50Mhz/8Mb RAM computers available with FDD only. Doom runs okay, but one have to spent half of eternity in lava queue to play it.

On the other hand newly manufactured Alienware desktops and notebooks were recently shipped to heaven, available for everyone. All CDs runs through highly customized VirtualBox from SSDs thus removing any copy protection checks with no time lags.
There are some issues with ESRB ratings though. Some even speculate that it's far eaesier to play Doom in hell.
I just noticed something odd in the thread title.

It reads "if you die".

Anyone here planning on not dying? :P
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tinyE: I just noticed something odd in the thread title.

It reads "if you die".

Anyone here planning on not dying? :P
That's really the only odd thing you noticed in that title?
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tinyE: I just noticed something odd in the thread title.

It reads "if you die".

Anyone here planning on not dying? :P
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DaCostaBR: That's really the only odd thing you noticed in that title?
All things are relative and we are talking about TStael here. :P
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tinyE: Anyone here planning on not dying?
If you go before me I'll never forget you, ever.