monkeydelarge: I brought innocence into the discussion because not selling a game is a hostile act and there is no good reason to be hostile towards the people behind Hatred because they have not done one single thing wrong.
charmer: By that logic, any kind of negotiation when one party refuses to oblige the other would be deemed as "hostile". I believe this framing is routinely used in mafia (offers you can't refuse etc.)...
Point of the matter being that the devs took a decision to spread hatred (as I've explained) which I think is a pretty bad decision. And they are not entitled to any publicity provided by GOG, Steam or whoever.
In fact, they know very well that the content they are trying to spread and sell will be likely banned in some countries. They made a calculated decision not to go too far and draw a line to prevent further bannings and ensuring more profit. In other words, they decided to be
politically correct in terms of portraying kids and animals. Yet, not a peep about that from you or other supporters.
Just like it there is no good reason for a judge to sentence an innocent man to death. But now I know inside your head,
charmer: Excuse me? How old are you to claim such a thing?
you see a good reason for Hatred to be destroyed. That is the problem.
charmer: Destroyed? Only in your little bubble, sorry. Go to their website and revel in Hatred if you must. If anything, these kind of games should be exposed for cynical depravity they are, bringing nothing new or original to the table in terms of gameplay, mechanics, and storytelling, apart from horrific images.
The Stanford Prison Experiment proves that power corrupts people and that humans without power, follow those who have power like brainless sheeple. It had nothing to do with video games. It would be impossible for a video game to bring that evil to the surface alone.
charmer: And WW2 Germany had nothing to do with video games either. The point which I suspect you deliberately chose to miss was that sometimes humans are quite easily manipulated to do things they would not normally do by forces they might see as completely benign and harmless. While the resulting effects vary in its seriousness and can rarely be explained by a single cause, it remains a reality that we are not all on the same footing in terms of cognitive functions, critical thinking, and susceptibility to external stimuli.
" By that logic, any kind of negotiation when one party refuses to oblige the other would be deemed as "hostile". I believe this framing is routinely used in mafia (offers you can't refuse etc.)..."
Yep. You got it.
" Excuse me? How old are you to claim such a thing?"
I don't understand. What does age have to do with what I said?
"Destroyed? Only in your little bubble, sorry. Go to their website and revel in Hatred if you must. If anything, these kind of games should be exposed for cynical depravity they are, bringing nothing new or original to the table in terms of gameplay, mechanics, and storytelling, apart from horrific images. "
I assumed you want this game destroyed like most of the people being hostile towards this game.
"The point which I suspect you deliberately chose to miss was that sometimes humans are quite easily manipulated to do things they would not normally do by forces they might see as completely benign and harmless. "
I did not deliberately choose to miss your point. I just failed to discuss it in my previous post. Probably out of laziness or something, I don't remember why. Maybe I forgot about it before I hit the post my message button. Sorry.
Your point is, nobody knows what affect a game like Hatred will have on people, people are easy to manipulate and we should just assume such a game will turn people into violent psychopaths? Better safe than sorry, right? Well I disagree because there is no evidence that proves a game like Hatred will turn people into violent psychopaths. Since the game, Postal came out. There has not been one case of someone going on a rampage because of that game. Since Postal 2 came out. There has not been one case of someone going on a rampage because of that game. Those games aren't much different from Hatred. If a person can be turned into a violent psychopath by playing a game like Hatred then they can be turned into a violent psychopath by playing Postal or Postal 2. A little bit of humor...and the option to be non violent won't change the affect a game will have on a sane person. So since 1997, there has been no evidence that supports games like Hatred turn people into violent psychopaths. And before being hostile to the developers and publisher of Hatred. And before being hostile to the people who want to play this game... There should be evidence to justify your hostile criticism. So far, there is none. Zero. And no(before you play that card), I'm not saying people shouldn't have the freedom to be hostile to people without evidence or people shouldn't have freedom of speech. I'm talking about right and wrong. I'm talking about the difference between the righteous and those who are just being paranoid asshats.
Is anything possible? Sure but we shouldn't sacrifice all the positive things that Hatred will bring forth to the world just because there is a chance, Hatred might encourage an insane person to go on a rampage. When it comes to people who are insane, anything could trigger them to go on a rampage. Maybe ordering a pizza and finding out, there isn't enough cheese on it? Should we just ban everything then? Should we ban hot coffee because there is a chance some idiots will burn themselves with some? We shouldn't sacrifice our freedom for safety. And we shouldn't be hostile towards people because there is a small chance, what they are doing could lead to violence. This kind of thinking is what led to the burning of the witches at Salem...a long time ago. This kind of thinking is what led to the deaths of millions of innocent people since a thousand years ago. Those who are on the moral high ground believe people are innocent until proven guilty. Everyone else is just a paranoid asshat.