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HeadClot: Here are a bunch of reports that say the same thing over and over. Frustration / Diffculty level with Video games cause violence not the content.
Dark Souls is gonna corrupt us all !!!

If we follow the logic here, then the angry video game nerd is in the fact the most dangerous serial killer around :)
Why can't they have a little Beta or Alpha? I want to become a monster NAO. ;_;
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monkeydelarge: I brought innocence into the discussion because not selling a game is a hostile act and there is no good reason to be hostile towards the people behind Hatred because they have not done one single thing wrong.
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charmer: By that logic, any kind of negotiation when one party refuses to oblige the other would be deemed as "hostile". I believe this framing is routinely used in mafia (offers you can't refuse etc.)...

Point of the matter being that the devs took a decision to spread hatred (as I've explained) which I think is a pretty bad decision. And they are not entitled to any publicity provided by GOG, Steam or whoever.

In fact, they know very well that the content they are trying to spread and sell will be likely banned in some countries. They made a calculated decision not to go too far and draw a line to prevent further bannings and ensuring more profit. In other words, they decided to be politically correct in terms of portraying kids and animals. Yet, not a peep about that from you or other supporters.

Just like it there is no good reason for a judge to sentence an innocent man to death. But now I know inside your head,
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charmer: Excuse me? How old are you to claim such a thing?

you see a good reason for Hatred to be destroyed. That is the problem.
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charmer: Destroyed? Only in your little bubble, sorry. Go to their website and revel in Hatred if you must. If anything, these kind of games should be exposed for cynical depravity they are, bringing nothing new or original to the table in terms of gameplay, mechanics, and storytelling, apart from horrific images.

The Stanford Prison Experiment proves that power corrupts people and that humans without power, follow those who have power like brainless sheeple. It had nothing to do with video games. It would be impossible for a video game to bring that evil to the surface alone.
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charmer: And WW2 Germany had nothing to do with video games either. The point which I suspect you deliberately chose to miss was that sometimes humans are quite easily manipulated to do things they would not normally do by forces they might see as completely benign and harmless. While the resulting effects vary in its seriousness and can rarely be explained by a single cause, it remains a reality that we are not all on the same footing in terms of cognitive functions, critical thinking, and susceptibility to external stimuli.
" By that logic, any kind of negotiation when one party refuses to oblige the other would be deemed as "hostile". I believe this framing is routinely used in mafia (offers you can't refuse etc.)..."
Yep. You got it.

" Excuse me? How old are you to claim such a thing?"
I don't understand. What does age have to do with what I said?

"Destroyed? Only in your little bubble, sorry. Go to their website and revel in Hatred if you must. If anything, these kind of games should be exposed for cynical depravity they are, bringing nothing new or original to the table in terms of gameplay, mechanics, and storytelling, apart from horrific images. "
I assumed you want this game destroyed like most of the people being hostile towards this game.

"The point which I suspect you deliberately chose to miss was that sometimes humans are quite easily manipulated to do things they would not normally do by forces they might see as completely benign and harmless. "
I did not deliberately choose to miss your point. I just failed to discuss it in my previous post. Probably out of laziness or something, I don't remember why. Maybe I forgot about it before I hit the post my message button. Sorry.

Your point is, nobody knows what affect a game like Hatred will have on people, people are easy to manipulate and we should just assume such a game will turn people into violent psychopaths? Better safe than sorry, right? Well I disagree because there is no evidence that proves a game like Hatred will turn people into violent psychopaths. Since the game, Postal came out. There has not been one case of someone going on a rampage because of that game. Since Postal 2 came out. There has not been one case of someone going on a rampage because of that game. Those games aren't much different from Hatred. If a person can be turned into a violent psychopath by playing a game like Hatred then they can be turned into a violent psychopath by playing Postal or Postal 2. A little bit of humor...and the option to be non violent won't change the affect a game will have on a sane person. So since 1997, there has been no evidence that supports games like Hatred turn people into violent psychopaths. And before being hostile to the developers and publisher of Hatred. And before being hostile to the people who want to play this game... There should be evidence to justify your hostile criticism. So far, there is none. Zero. And no(before you play that card), I'm not saying people shouldn't have the freedom to be hostile to people without evidence or people shouldn't have freedom of speech. I'm talking about right and wrong. I'm talking about the difference between the righteous and those who are just being paranoid asshats.

Is anything possible? Sure but we shouldn't sacrifice all the positive things that Hatred will bring forth to the world just because there is a chance, Hatred might encourage an insane person to go on a rampage. When it comes to people who are insane, anything could trigger them to go on a rampage. Maybe ordering a pizza and finding out, there isn't enough cheese on it? Should we just ban everything then? Should we ban hot coffee because there is a chance some idiots will burn themselves with some? We shouldn't sacrifice our freedom for safety. And we shouldn't be hostile towards people because there is a small chance, what they are doing could lead to violence. This kind of thinking is what led to the burning of the witches at Salem...a long time ago. This kind of thinking is what led to the deaths of millions of innocent people since a thousand years ago. Those who are on the moral high ground believe people are innocent until proven guilty. Everyone else is just a paranoid asshat.
Post edited October 23, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Good job you pathetic people. Down rep me but don't down rep the troll who replied to me with flame bait after I basically told him that I'm done communicating with him. I'm not sure which it is. Justice in the eyes of the local civil language police or favoritism?
Post edited October 24, 2014 by monkeydelarge
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HeadClot: Here are a bunch of reports that say the same thing over and over. Frustration / Diffculty level with Video games cause violence not the content.
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And to that, I'd add the lags. Many players would go into a rage fit playing even Mario Kart if it were laggy.

The only problem I have with those kind of studies is that they seemingly let the content completely off the hook. Let's paraphrase: "So we did this study and discovered that frustration plays a role in increasing aggression. Therefore, we conclude the violent content itself has now 0% chance to affect anyone in any way." Not buying it.

Action video games in particular are a power-and-thrill thing. Lags, difficulty, and content are all part of the equation. How do I know that? There are countless violent isometric shooters. But for some players, shooting aliens, zombies, or soldiers is no longer good enough. They can't wait to butcher defenceless pixel-pedestrians. That by itself is the effect of Hatred right there...

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WalterJr: I wonder did you read the report? Did you fully understand it?
Of course I read it. Didn't find it hard to digest either. Did you?
Post edited October 24, 2014 by charmer
This week, on When Opinions are Stronger than Science...
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All these new "studies" come from feminists or similar mindsets so yes, it´s all nonsense. People who are violent have real issues in their lives aka financial problems, divorces or very wrong idols etc. REAL LIVE PROBLEMS and not gaming or teh dangerous Internet.... How many rambos went on a killing spree just because of said movie ? It´s mumbo jumbo and you know it! You just have a problem with your own feelings, you are insecure about yourself and thats why you cant let others enjoy what they WANT.

It´s like calling soccer a dangerous sport because of hooligans. I know a bit about hools so no... it´s not about soccer at all... same with gaming. But keep dreaming about issues that are none!
Post edited October 24, 2014 by NWN_babayaga
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realkman666: This week, on When Opinions are Stronger than Science...
IF I CAN'T ENJOY HATRED, I'LL MAKE SURE NOBODY ELSE CAN!

*posts links to all articles about biased studies found on the internet that are from people who are against violent video games*
Post edited October 24, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Um, isn't Hatred also being sold directly from the dev's website? If so, I'm not really sure what difference it makes what other stores happen to put it in their catalog.
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Jonesy89: Um, isn't Hatred also being sold directly from the dev's website? If so, I'm not really sure what difference it makes what other stores happen to put it in their catalog.
It's a lot better to have a GOG version of Hatred than some copy downloaded from their website. And how many times will the Hatred devs let you download Hatred from their website? Once? Twice? GOG holds on to your collection for you so you will always be able to re download Hatred from them. And Steam games are not DRM free and a lot of people don't want to put up with that DRM bullshit.
Post edited October 24, 2014 by monkeydelarge
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monkeydelarge: It's a lot better to have a GOG version of Hatred than some copy downloaded from their website. And how many times will the Hatred devs let you download Hatred from their website? Once? Twice? GOG holds on to your collection for you so you will always be able to re download Hatred from them. And Steam games are not DRM free and a lot of people don't want to put up with that DRM bullshit.
If it's anything like other direct download games I've bought, there should be no limit. There's always the possibility that I'm wrong, but those are the kinds of questions that they should really be answering; then again, that'd involve more effort than just letting the internet do their own marketing for them.
Post edited October 24, 2014 by Jonesy89
Do you know what the weirdest thing is? Being an adult and realizing that the younger generation is actually far MORE hypersensitive, conservative and politically correct than your generation ever were. I thought it was supposed to be the other way around. In the 90's this kinda thing would not get this reaction, so why is society going backwards and becoming less permissive and liberal?
Post edited October 24, 2014 by Crosmando
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Jonesy89: Um, isn't Hatred also being sold directly from the dev's website? If so, I'm not really sure what difference it makes what other stores happen to put it in their catalog.
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monkeydelarge: It's a lot better to have a GOG version of Hatred than some copy downloaded from their website. And how many times will the Hatred devs let you download Hatred from their website? Once? Twice? GOG holds on to your collection for you so you will always be able to re download Hatred from them. And Steam games are not DRM free and a lot of people don't want to put up with that DRM bullshit.
I agree if a pc game is exclusive to the Steam system I don't get it.
On top of that not everyone wants to register to so many sites
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Crosmando: Do you know what the weirdest thing is? Being an adult and realizing that the younger generation is actually far MORE hypersensitive, conservative and politically correct than your generation ever were. I thought it was supposed to be the other way around. In the 90's this kinda thing would not get this reaction, so why is society going backwards?
IMHO that hypersensitivity is due to how many growing up now are fairly sheltered, like many don't understand where their food comes from before it's in the store
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Crosmando: snip
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Rusty_Gunn: IMHO that hypersensitivity is due to how many growing up now are fairly sheltered, like many don't understand where their food comes from before it's in the store
Not only psych fragility... The nineties were a golden age for the West. Top of the world... now that's all crumbling around. It's not just perception... it's factual that things took a turn for the worse.
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Rusty_Gunn: IMHO that hypersensitivity is due to how many growing up now are fairly sheltered, like many don't understand where their food comes from before it's in the store
Personally i say it its because we are filtering our every day experience more than ever before.

Meaning thanks to internet and social media, we can spend most of our time with like minded people if we so choose, no matter how fringe group that might be.

In the days past, if you wanted to hear for example any music at all or play any game (board or physical) you would need to walk out of the door and face the reality of meeting people f2f.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocooning
Post edited October 24, 2014 by iippo