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doronnorod: It is not for an ordinary person like you to decide what is credible or not. This is not a courtroom that makes judgments on people. Its just a forum where people can present facts or opinions.

The fact is that most people are rightfully angry at the poor services that NHS offers. The sooner this system is aborted, the better. Private health care is the inevitable and efficient future.
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PoppyAppletree: Sorry, maybe you didn't understand. I'll try to be clearer in future.

You're an American talking shit about an institution that you obviously know very little about. Your opinions on the matter are quite frankly meaningless, and the idea that you know what "most people" in the UK think about the NHS is laughable. Is that clear enough for you?
It's not worth it. I knew going in that this thread would attract this kind of shit. Let them wear themselves out.
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darthspudius: We'll be digging the grave of the NHS soon. It's being abused by too many foreigners who don't pay into the system.
Rubbish. It's being abused by a Conservative government that is perpetually horrified of those who can't afford to pay privately getting medical treatment anyway. As the old song says, "a strong and healthy working class is the thing that [they] most fear".

And if we got rid of those all those "foreigners" you complain about, you'd certainly see a difference in the NHS - because it would lose a huge number of doctors and nurses.
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PoppyAppletree: Sorry, maybe you didn't understand. I'll try to be clearer in future.

You're an American talking shit about an institution that you obviously know very little about. Your opinions on the matter are quite frankly meaningless, and the idea that you know what "most people" in the UK think about the NHS is laughable. Is that clear enough for you?
Don't bother, he's an alt account for a well known spammer. No point in even trying to reason with him as he's nothing more than a troll.

It's funny how well people outside of the country know the NHS better than us living here isn't it?

Sure it's struggling at the moment, mainly because the conservatives are doing their very best to kill it off (along with any other decent government initiative like benefits), but it's a damn sight better than the alternatives.

And anyone who has ever used the NHS knows there are probably more immigrants working in it than using it. And as an immigrant myself (albeit an Irish one, so know one ever counts me because I'm white and speak English) I certainly pay more into it in tax and NI then I've had back as I rarely use the doctor or hospital unless I have to.

Happy birthday NHS!
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doronnorod: [...] The fact is that most people are rightfully angry at the poor services that NHS offers [...]
They are? everyone I know praise and is proud of it... but then, I am not in another country, so what do I know.
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A society has a duty to care for its vulnerable.

Even if its vulnerable live, or were born outside the borders of that society. The NHS is the public caring for one another, and it's so sad that there are people in our society who would rather defend their own wealth than passively give care to others.

A right to health is more important than a right to own property! A right to safety is more important than a right to own property! A right to happiness is more important than a right to property!

Look after each other. Even if it's hard. Even if you get nothing for it. Even if no-one else is doing it. Even if you feel like no-one deserves it. Even if you think you need it more than anyone. Look after each other.
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JoeSapphire: ...
With views like that you are a antiquity and curiosity nowadays... maybe we should open a club ;-)
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doronnorod: It simply boggles the mind, why people take pride in NHS.
Perhaps because it allows everyone access to healthcare, regardless of how much money they have. I'm assuming this is a troll, because no one in their right mind would deny free healthcare for all, right?

Private healthcare was what came before the NHS, you know, when the poor were dying on the streets.

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amok: They are? everyone I know praise and is proud of it... but then, I am not in another country, so what do I know.
Agreed, the only complaints I hear is how the government should give them more funding to cope with increasing demand.
Post edited July 06, 2018 by DOWL
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JoeSapphire: A society has a duty to care for its vulnerable.

Even if its vulnerable live, or were born outside the borders of that society. The NHS is the public caring for one another, and it's so sad that there are people in our society who would rather defend their own wealth than passively give care to others.

A right to health is more important than a right to own property! A right to safety is more important than a right to own property! A right to happiness is more important than a right to property!

Look after each other. Even if it's hard. Even if you get nothing for it. Even if no-one else is doing it. Even if you feel like no-one deserves it. Even if you think you need it more than anyone. Look after each other.
That seems familiar. Were you paraphrasing something? Either way, well said.
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PoppyAppletree: snip
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doronnorod: bla bla bla....
Would the fail-troll kindly STFU and/or GTFO?

Thank you.
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doronnorod: Prime Minister Theresa May is forcing the hospitals to give preferential treatment to the Muslim refugees who keep flooding the UK. (Due to their higher voting numbers for future elections)
Wow, you drank a lot of Alex Jones's gay frog water.
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doronnorod: Prime Minister Theresa May is forcing the hospitals to give preferential treatment to the Muslim refugees who keep flooding the UK. (Due to their higher voting numbers for future elections)
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SirPrimalform: Wow, you drank a lot of Alex Jones's gay frog water.
Have you been in the south of England recently? He's not far off from the truth. Hell, we're seeing the same shit here in the North of Scotland. People, specifically foreign people ARE getting preferential treatment and not just in health care. In housing, for their benefits, in the food banks and even in the job market. Of course, people like to pretend everything is all happy and that it's all paranoia. But unless you're living in one of these areas, you really don't know. My last trip to London, it looked more like a Turkish city than the city I visited 20 yrs prior. It's a disgrace.
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darthspudius: Have you been in the south of England recently? He's not far off from the truth. Hell, we're seeing the same shit here in the North of Scotland. People, specifically foreign people ARE getting preferential treatment and not just in health care. In housing, for their benefits, in the food banks and even in the job market. Of course, people like to pretend everything is all happy and that it's all paranoia. But unless you're living in one of these areas, you really don't know. My last trip to London, it looked more like a Turkish city than the city I visited 20 yrs prior. It's a disgrace.
Your anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much to me as you burned all your credibility a long time ago. I'd ask you to actually back yourself up but this thread is not one of your anti-immigrant circlejerks.
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doronnorod: The wait times for appointments in NHS are way too long.
Because of deliberate underfunding by the Tory government and the ludicrous costs and inefficiencies of outsourcing and creeping privatisation.

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doronnorod: Prime Minister Theresa May is forcing the hospitals to give preferential treatment to the Muslim refugees who keep flooding the UK. (Due to their higher voting numbers for future elections)
Absolute rubbish. Asylum seekers absolutely do not get preferential treatment (quite the reverse). And someone arriving in the UK as a refugee today will certainly not be able to vote in the next general election - the maximum time between general elections is five years, which is also the absolute minimum time you need to have been living here to become a naturalised citizen. Though in reality it usually takes much, much longer; even getting refugee status can take years (assuming the Home Office grants it at all instead of sending you back to die). Not to mention that the number of refugees is far too small to have a significant impact on election results, even if every one was allowed to remain and somehow became a citizen tomorrow. Please don't post again until you have at least a vague idea of what the hell you're talking about.

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darthspudius: People, specifically foreign people ARE getting preferential treatment and not just in health care. In housing, for their benefits, in the food banks and even in the job market.
Again, utter rubbish. Does not happen, legally cannot happen.
The NHS has saved my life several times and I'm grateful, but I still think it should be more like it is in the Carry On films
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darthspudius: Of course, people like to pretend everything is all happy and that it's all paranoia. But unless you're living in one of these areas, you really don't know. My last trip to London, it looked more like a Turkish city than the city I visited 20 yrs prior. It's a disgrace.
The London you might have visited 40 yrs prior might have looked totally different too. Don't be afraid of change. Don't hate people. Don't try and keep difference away from you. The world is a big place, and you can make your mind so small. The world is a beautiful place and you can create such ugliness. The poorest people in the world can find contentment and the most wealthy can make themselves dissatisfied.

Be afraid of yourself. You can do so much harm if you let yourself.