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Posted June 07, 2018
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BlackThorny: You fail to acknowledge his plea to stop the abuse. It doesn't matter what you think about it, the plain fact was he considered it abuse, the reason why it affects him cannot be relevant when another person is clearly in distress.
Then again, the ones abusing never presented any other then misogyny, and self justification. How big of them.

Alaric, I respect your opinion but I cannot justify it. You cannot just abide by rules, you must have common sense and morality.
Even by your own terms, what isn't in the rules doesn't matter - news flash, rules matter but actions matter more.
Consider a poor man stealing a loaf of bread the same evil as a Billioner committing tax fraud? As long as both don't get caught...
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deleted_user:
I am sorry we cannot agree, but I fully stand by my view. Laws are entirely meaningless if they are applied differently to different people. You should never suffer a harsher punishment than me just because I have more money, or belong to a certain social class, or have committed a heroic act in the past.

Privilege (literally means "private law") should not exist. One law should apply equally to all.

I do agree that a law can be poorly thought out or unjust. Such laws should, of course, be changed. I don't actually believe that people should be punished for wearing sandals with socks as I showed in my earlier example. =) That was a joke. So long as we have laws, though, them's the breaks.

And remember, we are talking about a forum here. With forum rules and forum punishments, the hardest possible being a ban. So if you are worried about punishing a hungry child thief, don't.
I agree with him in the sense that I think there should be some allowance for the consideration of extenuating circumstances, but only if it is done in a consistent manner.
Posted June 07, 2018
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BlackThorny: You fail to acknowledge his plea to stop the abuse. It doesn't matter what you think about it, the plain fact was he considered it abuse, the reason why it affects him cannot be relevant when another person is clearly in distress.
Then again, the ones abusing never presented any other then misogyny, and self justification. How big of them.
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richlind33: Really speaking, you are referencing *subjective* abuse and treating it as though it is objective, hence my objections.
The real source of his "abuse" is his own psychological state of mind, which prevents him from avoiding conflict.
It can't really be measured subjectively, though. Not in any meaningful way.

Example: Although I can't see it, I bet I lost some rep for my opinions today. To me that's fine. There are those, however, who would see that as bullying, abuse, etc., you name it. Shit, people have sued and even fought and killed each other for less.

And you know what... even though I think that's idiocy of the highest order, I do believe them when they say they feel wronged, demeaned, and humiliated. In their mind they are. And the mental anguish they feel is real. To me they are wrong, but once again, this isn't something that can be objectively measured.

This is why rules shouldn't cover hurting someone's feelings or annoying someone. If someone annoys you, it's your problem. Put them on ignore, or have a never-ending verbal battle with them, or leave the forum, that's up to you. But they should not suffer because you are annoyed.

Hell, some people annoyed me. I think they are jerks. At no point, however, should they be punished even slightly just because I don't like them. If they break the rules then yes. Otherwise no.
Post edited June 07, 2018 by Alaric.us
Posted June 07, 2018
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BlackThorny: I see.
How about one's history? Shouldn't it be taken into account at some point, at least when comparing harsher re-precautions?
Also in oppose to a one (or only a couple) time incident that may be willing to be granted tan un-ban upon private plea to the CM?
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deleted_user:
Being a repeat offender should play into the decision if (and only if) it is specified by the rules. For instance a rule could look like this:

- Wearing sandals with socks:
- - 1st offence: $500 fine.
- - 2nd offence: $1000 fine, and 1 week in prison
- - 3rd offence: Forefiture of all assets, and public execution by firing squad.

But if that person was earlier found guilty of speeding, tax fraud, and zoning violations it should NOT affect his sentencing because these are unrelated crimes.
Why down vote this? I thought it was funny but wearing socks with thongs is a straight out hanging down here,No warnings,just ''Hang 'em High''.
Posted June 07, 2018
Can't say I approve of Gog staff just deleting threads. Rather dubious kind of moderation imo.
Posted June 07, 2018
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richlind33: Really speaking, you are referencing *subjective* abuse and treating it as though it is objective, hence my objections.
The real source of his "abuse" is his own psychological state of mind, which prevents him from avoiding conflict.
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deleted_user:
It can't really be measured subjectively, though. Not in any meaningful way.

Example: Although I can't see it, I bet I lost some rep for my opinions today. To me that's fine. There are those, however, who would see that as bullying, abuse, etc., you name it. Shit, people have sued and even fought and killed each other for less.

And you know what... even though I think that's idiocy of the highest order, I do believe them when they say they feel wronged, demeaned, and humiliated. In their mind they are. And the mental anguish they feel is real. To me they are wrong, but once again, this isn't something that can be objectively measured.

This is why rules shouldn't cover hurting someone's feelings or annoying someone. If someone annoys you, it's your problem. Put them on ignore, or have a never-ending verbal battle with them, or leave the forum, that's up to you. But they should not suffer because you are annoyed.

Hell, some people annoyed me. I think they are jerks. At no point, however, should they be punished even slightly just because I don't like them. If they break the rules then yes. Otherwise no.
Where are we in disagreement here???
Posted June 07, 2018
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morolf: Can't say I approve of Gog staff just deleting threads. Rather dubious kind of moderation imo.
At least we know they are the ones that removed it so now I don't have to worry about me and my "vigilantly club" getting blamed for spam deleting it. :P
Post edited June 07, 2018 by tinyE
Posted June 07, 2018
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richlind33: snip
I asked you to stop harassing me over and over, and about 10 times you added a new insult. That IS bullying and harassment. The fact that you cannot understand this says a lot about your character. Furthermore, the fact you keep trying to justify all your abusive posts says even more. There is no excuse for repeatedly calling me names like "man-child" "twat" "insane" or any of it. But you continued on and on and on. I'm sure our new community manager saw exactly what you did, so all your excuses are going nowhere.

And frankly, I'm sick and tired of all these "forum police" like yourself or Fairfox or Breja, or TinyE or SirPrimalform that somehow think that because I told them to eff off at some point in the past, that it is now perfectly okay for any of them to verbally attack and ridicule me on these forums as much as they want. And it's not like when I told any of you to eff off, that you were acting like perfect angels either.

You people seem to act like this forum belongs to you. It doesn't. And I'm sure if you continue to jump into threads just to insult me or downvote me as you have been doing for quite some time, that action will be taken and you will end up with time off these forums. Just because there are so many of you ganging up on forum members you dislike doesn't justify your actions.
Posted June 07, 2018
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Linko90: This place is yours just as much as it is ours
Sorry, but no. It is not. It is completely gOg's place. We are simply allowed to be here.

We customers have asked - repeatedly - for some fairly simple changes to help improve the environment:

- modification or removal of the Rep system
- modification of the downvote / reporting mechanism
- a bit more active moderation. Not overboard, but certainly more than waiting for a thread to go full insult before butting in.
- 'ignore' function, though I might not use this myself - even a perpetual jerk can decide to make a helpful contribution now and then.
- some forum interaction between staff and the customers. Not just technical / account / problems, but just being part of the community like the rest of us. The simple presence will be a reminder that gOg is paying some attention to what goes on in the forum, and that presence may - in itself - quell some of the more blatant bad behaviors without gOg having to do anything more than simply showing up.

I should point out that not everyone will agree with everything on that list, so when I say "community" I can't mean literally every single one of us. Anyway...

If it was "our" forum, some of this crap would have been addressed years ago. As it is, forum members have taken it upon themselves to create scripts and such to try to address these shortcomings, among others. Thing is, that relies on the user downloading and using the scripts. The typical new customer isn't going to know about those.

It's gOg's place, and the forum has gOg's name on it. It's part of your company and you simply allow us to post here. The company should show some concern about how the guests' actions affect the way prospective and new customers view the whole company.
Posted June 07, 2018
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MarkoH01: ...
Now, let's see if the problem is solved.. If not, i might'e spoke too soon on a solution.

Schrödinger's cat

Looks like i spoke to soon. Let's see if we can figure out where the problem came from...

Schroedinger's cat

EDIT: DERP, my fault for using my temp directory with a ~ in it.

Schrödinger's cat

EDIT: Alright, gog, that's just rude.
Post edited June 07, 2018 by kohlrak
Posted June 07, 2018
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morolf: Can't say I approve of Gog staff just deleting threads. Rather dubious kind of moderation imo.
They have the right to do so, but boy is that ever bad PR.
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BlackThorny: You fail to acknowledge his plea to stop the abuse. It doesn't matter what you think about it, the plain fact was he considered it abuse, the reason why it affects him cannot be relevant when another person is clearly in distress.
Then again, the ones abusing never presented any other then misogyny, and self justification. How big of them.

Alaric, I respect your opinion but I cannot justify it. You cannot just abide by rules, you must have common sense and morality.
Even by your own terms, what isn't in the rules doesn't matter - news flash, rules matter but actions matter more.
Consider a poor man stealing a loaf of bread the same evil as a Billioner committing tax fraud? As long as both don't get caught...
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deleted_user:
I am sorry we cannot agree, but I fully stand by my view. Laws are entirely meaningless if they are applied differently to different people. You should never suffer a harsher punishment than me just because I have more money, or belong to a certain social class, or have committed a heroic act in the past.

Privilege (literally means "private law") should not exist. One law should apply equally to all.

I do agree that a law can be poorly thought out or unjust. Such laws should, of course, be changed. I don't actually believe that people should be punished for wearing sandals with socks as I showed in my earlier example. =) That was a joke. So long as we have laws, though, them's the breaks.

And remember, we are talking about a forum here. With forum rules and forum punishments, the hardest possible being a ban. So if you are worried about punishing a hungry child thief, don't.
I think we now see why Jesus was so controversial in his time, God or not.
Post edited June 07, 2018 by kohlrak
Posted June 07, 2018
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BlackThorny: Well he used masculinity as an excuse for his dumb opinions, as I'm a feminist myself, I can't grasp if this is logical or not :)
Yes - excuse. That's the point. But that doesn't make his opinions "masculine". Just like when some white nazi guy says "blacks are more ape than human" is doesn't make this "opinion" "white".

An opinion might be typical for a group of people if the vast majority of that group shares it. But that's simply not the case here.
Posted June 07, 2018
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Linko90: As long as your posts are within the code of conduct and your actions don't break any rules, you shouldn't have to worry about me. Same applies to everyone!
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deleted_user:
I would like to go on record. Take screenshots, whatever. Here goes:

* If the above statement in blue is actually how the forums will be run from now on
* And if bullying others for their views (as opposed to pointing out actual rule violations) will become illegal
* And if this rule will be genuinely and actively enforced
* And it will be made that the users could no longer cause other users' posts and comments do be deleted

Then let it be known that I shall, on my next trip to Europe, visit Poland and buy drinks for every current (at that time) GOG employee willing to accept the invitation. This shall hold true even if several hundred of them show up. I shall give advance warning (at least 2 weeks) and shall select a venue that shall be easily accessible from GOG's office. The event shall occur after normal working hours so that more people could choose to attend.
Well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBAl9cchQac
Posted June 07, 2018
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BlackThorny: Well he used masculinity as an excuse for his dumb opinions, as I'm a feminist myself, I can't grasp if this is logical or not :)
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toxicTom: Yes - excuse. That's the point. But that doesn't make his opinions "masculine". Just like when some white nazi guy says "blacks are more ape than human" is doesn't make this "opinion" "white".

An opinion might be typical for a group of people if the vast majority of that group shares it. But that's simply not the case here.
It is also important that if he says he has icecream in his freezer, he's not wrong simply because he's a nazi. Bad people can be right about things, even though they're bad. A nazi can even be good at painting. Don't get me wrong, nazis are very, very bad people, who do very, very evil things. We don't lynch them, because we understand that they have value beyond their objectification to being nazis, just like we don't go around forcibly taken women because we understand they have more value beyond their objectification to being baby bearers.
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deleted_user:
I would like to go on record. Take screenshots, whatever. Here goes:

* If the above statement in blue is actually how the forums will be run from now on
* And if bullying others for their views (as opposed to pointing out actual rule violations) will become illegal
* And if this rule will be genuinely and actively enforced
* And it will be made that the users could no longer cause other users' posts and comments do be deleted

Then let it be known that I shall, on my next trip to Europe, visit Poland and buy drinks for every current (at that time) GOG employee willing to accept the invitation. This shall hold true even if several hundred of them show up. I shall give advance warning (at least 2 weeks) and shall select a venue that shall be easily accessible from GOG's office. The event shall occur after normal working hours so that more people could choose to attend.
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richlind33: Well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBAl9cchQac
So this is why people believe in the illuminati.
Post edited June 07, 2018 by kohlrak
Posted June 07, 2018
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Yeah, Hey Linko90 I can get quite explosive when I get prodded, For OBVIOUS reasons.

It comes from having someone screaming at me 24/7 like a banshee on helium

So you'll have to excuse my (!)'s at the end of sentences If I start posting them

when I type "!" at the end of my posts (It means my internet is dropping out)

It agravates me to almost insanity I have been abused too greatly in the past

Even by insane forum posters here, I have Asperger's Syndrome and I am

Quite FRANK up to the point people think I'm rude, But I'm not I'm just frank.

Oh but my real name isn't Frank it's Peter I just wanted to clear that up with you.

I also have multiple T.B.I. Traumatic Brain Injuries from knocks to back of the head even to the

Point of SHATTERING my cranium and massive blows to the base of my skull so I'm in pain

MOST of the time.
Posted June 07, 2018
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toxicTom: Yes - excuse. That's the point. But that doesn't make his opinions "masculine". Just like when some white nazi guy says "blacks are more ape than human" is doesn't make this "opinion" "white".

An opinion might be typical for a group of people if the vast majority of that group shares it. But that's simply not the case here.
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kohlrak: It is also important that if he says he has icecream in his freezer, he's not wrong simply because he's a nazi. Bad people can be right about things, even though they're bad. A nazi can even be good at painting. Don't get me wrong, nazis are very, very bad people, who do very, very evil things. We don't lynch them, because we understand that they have value beyond their objectification to being nazis, just like we don't go around forcibly taken women because we understand they have more value beyond their objectification to being baby bearers.
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richlind33: Well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBAl9cchQac
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kohlrak: So this is why people believe in the illuminati.
Not sure where that came from but I will say this: if I had the power to expand and contract the money supply, I would be the "Illuminati" because I would simply hire you to serve me, and serve me you would because I would pay you well -- with other people's money. lol
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