Awww!


Is it affiliated with Enjoy(kin/ker)?

I can't disagree with that sentiment, though I saved my energy for farther down the ticket and for a couple local referenda. Nobody at the top caused me any sort of enthusiasm, so I wrote in someone for Prez.

"Herp - but you wasted your vote!" I don't see it that way. If you have a dollar and are told that you will not still have that dollar by the end of the day, one way or another, and that your vote gives that candidate the dollar, and if you don't want a single one of them to get that dollar, then what is the choice? You either don't vote and the dollar disappears, or you give it to someone not on the list.

That's how I voted since I was allowed to.
Most people didn't even know about the parties that got my vote and only one of them ever did get a single seat in a local parliament. At least my conscience is clear and the categorical imperative is applied.

More than your posturing, gritted-through-the-teeth faux amusement, that's for sure. Congrats on being the most head-in-the-sand loser in the room. And, unfortunately, everyone has skin in the game when it comes to whom the US picks as a leader. And deeper into the sand the head goes. You - and by "you" I mean the clueless media, the sneering cosmopolitans, the partisan democrats with unwarranted feelings of superiority and the venal republicans willing to torpedo their candidate's chance for the old rulebook's sake - and your arrogance was what turned the people against you. And that, more than anything else, cost you the election. Refuse to learn from it at your own peril. Too late to backtrack and try to be funny about it now. Other than minorities, there was tremendous overlap between Obama and Trump's voters, which helped the latter over the edge. Bitter and damning to your worldview as the pill may be - though not nearly as much as the bitterness you're displaying here - you're just gonna have to swallow it. And deeper into the sand the head goes. At least, I assume that's what you're doing, and I'm giving you enough credit that you'd understand words more complex than "imbecilic". But here, for your reading comprehension's sake: The chosen, hallowed one you were alluding to with your 'select few' bit, meaning this Bernie guy, was so willing to take on the 'fight against the party', that he sold out, betrayed his supporters and became a mouthpiece for everything he supposedly stood against. "Zero-experience zero-intelligence buffoon" is the oldest bit of the utterly ineffective anti-Trump rhetoric, and you're still regurgitating it, like a baboon insisting on flinging old droppings that are already so old and dry, they crumble in its hands. Passive-aggressive smileys and playing dumb won't really help you now. Again with the arrogance, presuming that everyone, even those "imbecilic" rubes, share that one tenet. You're absolutely wrong, and feebly presuming a consensus where there is none, other than in the circlejerking echo chambers that were so soundly defeated in their predictions and evaluation of the situation. The guy played "you" (see above) like a fiddle, outwitted "you" at every turn, and, as you said, has an empire to speak of. To say he's not smart, in whatever way you mean, is almost as delusional as claiming Clinton is honest. Again with the insular, solipsistic mentality. Your anecdotes are meaningless. Your worldview is not the consensus. And, clearly, your circle of acquaintances is not the whole of the US. The sooner you come to terms with that, the better for you in the long term. And there we have it. When all else fails, resort to hyperbole and mischaracterization of another's statements. Acknowledging a person's qualities is not worship, and acknowledging his accomplishments is not an endorsement of perfection. Trump is not perfect, and I don't believe anyone voted for him under that assumption, or for any other candidate in the history of democratic elections, for that matter. And, you know, if you would have actually read my post within writing your last stand of the bern, you would have seen that I took no issue with whom you thought would have won against Clinton, but in your clueless deifying of Bernie and your oblivious lambasting of Trump with tired, trite and ineffective-from-the-start canards. And still I plainly understand more than you. That says a lot about your parochial worldview, for all your posturing as a man of the people more knowledgeable than said people and with a finger on America's pulse. Get off your high horse, take off the berning lenses and smell the coffee. Caps lock, exclamation marks and sophomoric insults won't get you anywhere, other than deeper into that stewing puddle of seething loser's resentment. Sanders got great press in Portugal, just as everywhere else, just as Clinton did, with regards to the overwhelmingly negative coverage of Trump. And then the ivory tower crumbled, and now the press and the likes of you are left fumbling for justifications - any justifications - even if that means disparaging the electorate you were lauding a couple of years ago for electing Obama. And again with the haughty, sneering posturing, cussing like a moody teenager that didn't get his way and thinks he's been unfairly grounded. Keep it up, it'll do wonders for your mental health and understanding of the world in the long run.

Heh. Cheers. And may your process be smooth to get into the country *does his best Trump impersonation* lllegally.

Despite all evidence to the contrary, I'm going to assume you're asking that in good faith. I'm also going to assume you weren't living under a rock for this past year and a half, and saw the international coverage of the elections, with the rank bias in any and all article, opinion piece and anchor's personal feelings coming through for all to see, kicking impartiality to the curb like no one's business. That you saw or heard the neo-mccarthyesque fearmongering of Trump colluding with the Russians. That any and all smears directed at him, baseless as they were, got amplified by national and international media, especially whenever Clinton's indiscretions and failings came up, which were then conveniently swept under the rug or given the lowest common denominator of coverage. That the very republican party Trump was running for took every single chance to attempt to stab him in the back, agreeing and amplifying every bit of negative coverage that came up. That social media moguls and social media platforms themselves were doing their damnedest 24/7 to slant opinions against Trump, attempting to censor or deplatform public figures who spoke favorably of him, with not the least bit of pretense of impartiality.

If you saw all of that, or even just a little bit of it, I can further elaborate. Otherwise, I'm not going to waste time in someone who is going to argue in bad faith.

http://politistick.com/homosexual-transgender-activists-burn-american-flag-san-fran-march/#

http://therightscoop.com/liberals-burn-american-flag-front-d-c-trump-hotel/

Here be enemies of the state, committers of treason against democracy and offenders of symbols of the state. Even *I* am left speechless. Despite knowing a little *some* people and being "close" to them for some time, they never cease to "amaze" me with their new lows and achievements that only them are capable of. THIS, is "progressiveness", "liberalism", "equal rights"?

No, sirs and madams, this is TOLERANCE! Now take a good, hard look, over exactly where too much of it can lead you, to! Good luck against the terrorists! Worst danger is always from the inside jobs...

This is a truly splendid exhibition of pure-blood fascism. Burning whatever does not serve the one and only purpose of serving you. Vandalizing whatever is not tailored to suit you perfectly. Insulting and defiling symbols that some people once gave their life for, so you can breathe the air of freedom! Accusing OTHERS of the things YOU do. And always escaping unharmed, while crying out just how unjust the world is and how cruelly it treats you.

Thanks for constantly proving me right. I always knew that deep down, we are actually strange bedfellows. Temporary allies. Keep up the good work; which is, constant mythbusting and popping up illusion bubbles, which you yourselves spent many years creating through hard work, with the sole purpose to fool everyone, public opinion included. Well done!

Not me personally, no, would not have voted Trump. The climate change denial is a deal-breaker unless I liked the rest of what I saw in his campaign 100%, or in some out-there scenario where he was truly running against the proverbial Hitler/Stalin But that's me. I know people though, who were interested in Bernie's ideas, who did vote Trump. Now since Bernie didn't make the general I can't say for sure how these people would have actually voted, but I'm not talking about card-carrying Dems here.

Eh but look how close the margins were in the states that made the difference, like Pennsylvania. It wouldn't have taken Sanders peeling off *all* that many of the Trump votes, assuming he held everybody who voted Clinton.

I don't know where you live, but man I'm right smack in the middle of where the "battleground" played out, here in the Midwest. I know a good few older, lifetime blue-collar guys around here, like my girlfriends Dad for an example. Crusty, mean-assed old bastard (which I love him for, hah...), who actually got a little excited when I told him about Sanders and what he wanted to do. Then he went and did a little more invesigation on his own, and was like "shit now THAT's why I used to support the Democrats way back!". And yeah he voted Trump, cuz he hated both him and Hillary but Trump less (and may be a litte more apt fo vote for a guy - hey man that's his generation).

Anyhow, point of that heartwarming lil story is that this guy seems pretty representative of a whole group of blue-collar midwestern guys his age. Guy respects things like hard work and integrity - the old tried and true "midwestern values". Wouid he have voted for Sanders over Trump? Hell yeah, he's told me that straight out. He would have been all about what he sees as a pissed off, hard working straight-shooter in Sanders over a rich, double-talking scammer that he sees in Trump.

Anyhow, I'm pretty sure guys like him would have turned the tide here in the northern Midwest and Sanders would have won Penn, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio.... That woulda been enough...

It's not always the act or the episode that are the most damaging, it's the action of other humans afterwards that can do even more harm: Victim mentality and cognitive dissonance.

Talk about ruining it for themselves...

These people act like children when they didn't get want THEY wanted. I'm all for civil disobedience if the time is right, however, this is childlike, basically. The man has done nothing yet, and for this they burn the flag and stumps on the ground. If he had went into Mexico to "find a solution" - then most people would try to stop him. Also, people still forget that he will not be a dictator. He still has to go through the congress with his changes....

2000, and now 2016. If they don't like the system that sometimes let's people elected with few votes, then they should try to change it.

Btw: Throwing the word "liberal" at someone just because they act differently or being criminal in their eyes, is propaganda and really shows how little they know. Now "fascism", has been on rise again for sometime.

+1 for you, because I'm stealing this.

Oh no, to your credit you did genuinely amuse me for a minute there. But your continual projection of all your faults, personal issues, idiocy and weirdo media-elite fantasies onto me got old fast.

Anyhow, guys like me *are* the electorate here, asswipe. These are my people. I feel the pain that these guys in my area had that led them to vote Trump. You don't know a goddamed thing about it, beyond what you read on whatever website some ill informed fuck like you looks at. You are the outsider here, that is just never gonna get it. Stick to your own politics, you dont see me coming and trying to tell you the realities of politics in Portugal like I'm some kinda "expert", while thinking the websites I'm looking at gives me as much of a feel for whats going on as actually being there. Talk about a high horse, my fucking god.....

And NO, you do NOT have anywhere CLOSE to as much skin in the game as somebody who actually lives here. That's a goddamed insult to everybody who lives in this country, to think you're some kinda equal partner when WE'RE the ones who have to deal with the actual pain of our problems. MAN is that ever a "high horse".

I'm sorry, but your clear level of ignorance and lack of anything productive or intelligent to contribute here means I have better things to do (and people to talk to) than talk to you.

So kindly get on *your* own very well displayed "high horse", take your groundless ass-headed opinions along with you, and PISS OFF!

Yes, what derange me most is that one of the biggest problem US has is the gigantic rift growing between the rich and the poors.
And they elected exactly the embodiment of this node of evil inequalities : the bigoted lying businessman 'par excellence'.

Hey I'll agree with that. Ron Paul was a unique guy and a truly party-independent type with his own ideas. I sure never agreed with all of them, but he had enough good ones in terms of the issues that truly matter - economic ones particularly. Sure wouldn't have been any goddamed TPP-type crap being considered. He would have gotten my vote this cycle.

I feel like his son is a little like that.... but yet not quite enough. Sorta "Ron-lite", heh...

If they elected him.
It's not that I don't have confidence that the US citizens are capable of scoring such an own goal (the Germans do so all the time in their elections after all), but the republicans aren't exactly known for letting something insignificant like democratic elections stand in their way.

+1

At the end of the day, the problem is not with Trump's existence. There will always be people with every kind of political belief, no matter how depraved and how repugnant. What this election has basically done is make a statement about America, and it's not a favourable statement in any way, shape or form.

All this talk about trying to "understand" why people elected him stinks of the appeasement policies of the mid-1930s. At the end of the day, either people knew exactly what they were voting for - which in the case of the rich, white, male segment is almost certainly the case. Or they voted for him simply because he railed against Muslims and women, which in the case of the poor, working class, male segment is certainly the case, or they did it as some kind of ridiculous "protest" or blind party loyalty.

That means that those who voted for the Trump are either of the elite establishment that he claims to oppose, vile bigots, or complete idiots. There's really no explaining your way around a Trump voter being one or more of these three, and it worries me that what it says about America that these three groups account for at least 40-45% of the population. Honestly, it's a more severe indictment of American society than it is of the political system. Until now, I believed that the problem with America was with the politics, but it's not. It's with the people.