Posted November 10, 2016
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HereForTheBeer
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Posted November 10, 2016
I can't disagree with that sentiment, though I saved my energy for farther down the ticket and for a couple local referenda. Nobody at the top caused me any sort of enthusiasm, so I wrote in someone for Prez.
"Herp - but you wasted your vote!" I don't see it that way. If you have a dollar and are told that you will not still have that dollar by the end of the day, one way or another, and that your vote gives that candidate the dollar, and if you don't want a single one of them to get that dollar, then what is the choice? You either don't vote and the dollar disappears, or you give it to someone not on the list.
"Herp - but you wasted your vote!" I don't see it that way. If you have a dollar and are told that you will not still have that dollar by the end of the day, one way or another, and that your vote gives that candidate the dollar, and if you don't want a single one of them to get that dollar, then what is the choice? You either don't vote and the dollar disappears, or you give it to someone not on the list.
Klumpen0815
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Posted November 10, 2016
HereForTheBeer: I can't disagree with that sentiment, though I saved my energy for farther down the ticket and for a couple local referenda. Nobody at the top caused me any sort of enthusiasm, so I wrote in someone for Prez.
"Herp - but you wasted your vote!" I don't see it that way. If you have a dollar and are told that you will not still have that dollar by the end of the day, one way or another, and that your vote gives that candidate the dollar, and if you don't want a single one of them to get that dollar, then what is the choice? You either don't vote and the dollar disappears, or you give it to someone not on the list.
That's how I voted since I was allowed to. "Herp - but you wasted your vote!" I don't see it that way. If you have a dollar and are told that you will not still have that dollar by the end of the day, one way or another, and that your vote gives that candidate the dollar, and if you don't want a single one of them to get that dollar, then what is the choice? You either don't vote and the dollar disappears, or you give it to someone not on the list.
Most people didn't even know about the parties that got my vote and only one of them ever did get a single seat in a local parliament. At least my conscience is clear and the categorical imperative is applied.
Post edited November 10, 2016 by Klumpen0815
pearnon
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Posted November 10, 2016
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GioVio123: You
You motherfifer
I oughta give you a fucking beer
That was righteous as a thunderstorm smithin' the tyrants of our age
Here, I am just glad he is in power, makes my job easier to get into the country since we cannot support our family anymore here and we want to get the VISAs
Heh. Cheers. And may your process be smooth to get into the country *does his best Trump impersonation* lllegally. You motherfifer
I oughta give you a fucking beer
That was righteous as a thunderstorm smithin' the tyrants of our age
Here, I am just glad he is in power, makes my job easier to get into the country since we cannot support our family anymore here and we want to get the VISAs
pearnon: And, after almost two years, you insist on doubling down on these baseless notions and refuse to learn from reality. More unwarranted arrogance and dunning-krugeresque estimation of the capabilities of a man who singlehandedly upended an ossified electoral process, fought and fended off his own party, the national and international media and the unrelenting, no holds-barred smearing psyops of the entire establishment for a year and a half. But yeah, he's an inexperienced, zero-intelligence buffoon. Makes sense. It has to, otherwise there goes your narrative, right?
dick1982: Elaborate on the psyops thingy. It sounds really koolaid and dark-future-like. If you saw all of that, or even just a little bit of it, I can further elaborate. Otherwise, I'm not going to waste time in someone who is going to argue in bad faith.
KiNgBrAdLeY7
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Posted November 10, 2016
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http://politistick.com/homosexual-transgender-activists-burn-american-flag-san-fran-march/#
http://therightscoop.com/liberals-burn-american-flag-front-d-c-trump-hotel/
Here be enemies of the state, committers of treason against democracy and offenders of symbols of the state. Even *I* am left speechless. Despite knowing a little *some* people and being "close" to them for some time, they never cease to "amaze" me with their new lows and achievements that only them are capable of. THIS, is "progressiveness", "liberalism", "equal rights"?
No, sirs and madams, this is TOLERANCE! Now take a good, hard look, over exactly where too much of it can lead you, to! Good luck against the terrorists! Worst danger is always from the inside jobs...
This is a truly splendid exhibition of pure-blood fascism. Burning whatever does not serve the one and only purpose of serving you. Vandalizing whatever is not tailored to suit you perfectly. Insulting and defiling symbols that some people once gave their life for, so you can breathe the air of freedom! Accusing OTHERS of the things YOU do. And always escaping unharmed, while crying out just how unjust the world is and how cruelly it treats you.
Thanks for constantly proving me right. I always knew that deep down, we are actually strange bedfellows. Temporary allies. Keep up the good work; which is, constant mythbusting and popping up illusion bubbles, which you yourselves spent many years creating through hard work, with the sole purpose to fool everyone, public opinion included. Well done!
http://therightscoop.com/liberals-burn-american-flag-front-d-c-trump-hotel/
Here be enemies of the state, committers of treason against democracy and offenders of symbols of the state. Even *I* am left speechless. Despite knowing a little *some* people and being "close" to them for some time, they never cease to "amaze" me with their new lows and achievements that only them are capable of. THIS, is "progressiveness", "liberalism", "equal rights"?
No, sirs and madams, this is TOLERANCE! Now take a good, hard look, over exactly where too much of it can lead you, to! Good luck against the terrorists! Worst danger is always from the inside jobs...
This is a truly splendid exhibition of pure-blood fascism. Burning whatever does not serve the one and only purpose of serving you. Vandalizing whatever is not tailored to suit you perfectly. Insulting and defiling symbols that some people once gave their life for, so you can breathe the air of freedom! Accusing OTHERS of the things YOU do. And always escaping unharmed, while crying out just how unjust the world is and how cruelly it treats you.
Thanks for constantly proving me right. I always knew that deep down, we are actually strange bedfellows. Temporary allies. Keep up the good work; which is, constant mythbusting and popping up illusion bubbles, which you yourselves spent many years creating through hard work, with the sole purpose to fool everyone, public opinion included. Well done!
Post edited November 10, 2016 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
Ariod
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Posted November 10, 2016
Ariod: If the Dems had run Sanders, who had the same kind of "outsider cred" as Trump, minus the side-helping of idiocy and authoritarianism... well this would be a vastly different conversation in this thread today. But running Hillary during a period of intense anti-establishment feeling, against a perceived "outsider", made it possible for even one of the weakest, least popular candidates in our history to win. So, in the endless irony that we live with here in good ol America, the Democratic party leadership and Hillary herself turned out be Trump's MVPs. I don't believe he could have won it without them. They created the perfect storm that allowed some zero-experience zero-intelligence reality star buffoon to win.
And if you're not sure if what I'm saying is true, just look at the exit polling. 38%, I believe, was the number of Trump voters who said they don't like him and their choice was a "lesser of 2 evils" thing. Nobody thinks "evil" about Sanders, even those who disagree with him. His track record of integrity and fighting for the small guy and working people is quite the opposite of Clinton, and his overall "favorable rating" was recently noted as the highest of any politican in America. This guy would have won over my Midwestern working class neighbors who are the ones (well along with Florida i guess) who handed this thing to Trump. Rather than handing the presidency to Trump, Bernie woulda handed him his ass.
richlind33: I have no doubt that Bernie would have increased Democratic turnout and done better with independents, but I just don't see anyone willing to vote for trump being willing to vote for Sanders. Are there any circumstances under which you'd have been willing to vote for Trump? And if you're not sure if what I'm saying is true, just look at the exit polling. 38%, I believe, was the number of Trump voters who said they don't like him and their choice was a "lesser of 2 evils" thing. Nobody thinks "evil" about Sanders, even those who disagree with him. His track record of integrity and fighting for the small guy and working people is quite the opposite of Clinton, and his overall "favorable rating" was recently noted as the highest of any politican in America. This guy would have won over my Midwestern working class neighbors who are the ones (well along with Florida i guess) who handed this thing to Trump. Rather than handing the presidency to Trump, Bernie woulda handed him his ass.
Bernie *might* have beaten Trump, but I suspect that most of that 38% would have seen him as a white Obama, and I doubt that very many -- if any -- were hankering for another 4 years of *that* dog and pony show.
Eh but look how close the margins were in the states that made the difference, like Pennsylvania. It wouldn't have taken Sanders peeling off *all* that many of the Trump votes, assuming he held everybody who voted Clinton.
I don't know where you live, but man I'm right smack in the middle of where the "battleground" played out, here in the Midwest. I know a good few older, lifetime blue-collar guys around here, like my girlfriends Dad for an example. Crusty, mean-assed old bastard (which I love him for, hah...), who actually got a little excited when I told him about Sanders and what he wanted to do. Then he went and did a little more invesigation on his own, and was like "shit now THAT's why I used to support the Democrats way back!". And yeah he voted Trump, cuz he hated both him and Hillary but Trump less (and may be a litte more apt fo vote for a guy - hey man that's his generation).
Anyhow, point of that heartwarming lil story is that this guy seems pretty representative of a whole group of blue-collar midwestern guys his age. Guy respects things like hard work and integrity - the old tried and true "midwestern values". Wouid he have voted for Sanders over Trump? Hell yeah, he's told me that straight out. He would have been all about what he sees as a pissed off, hard working straight-shooter in Sanders over a rich, double-talking scammer that he sees in Trump.
Anyhow, I'm pretty sure guys like him would have turned the tide here in the northern Midwest and Sanders would have won Penn, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio.... That woulda been enough...
sanscript
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Posted November 10, 2016
KiNgBrAdLeY7: http://politistick.com/homosexual-transgender-activists-burn-american-flag-san-fran-march/#
http://therightscoop.com/liberals-burn-american-flag-front-d-c-trump-hotel/
Here be enemies of the state, committers of treason against democracy and offenders of symbols of the state. Even *I* am left speechless. Despite knowing a little *some* people and being "close" to them for some time, they never cease to "amaze" me with their new lows and achievements that only them are capable of. THIS, is "progressiveness", "liberalism", "equal rights"?
No, sirs and madams, this is TOLERANCE! Now take a good, hard look, over exactly where too much of it can lead you, to! Good luck against the terrorists! Worst danger is always from the inside jobs...
This is a truly splendid exhibition of pure-blood fascism. Burning whatever does not serve the one and only purpose of serving you. Vandalizing whatever is not tailored to suit you perfectly. Insulting and defiling symbols that some people once gave their life for, so you can breathe the air of freedom! Accusing OTHERS of the things YOU do. And always escaping unharmed, while crying out just how unjust the world is and how cruelly it treats you.
Thanks for constantly proving me right. I always knew that deep down, we are actually strange bedfellows. Temporary allies. Keep up the good work; which is, constant mythbusting and popping up illusion bubbles, which you yourselves spent many years creating through hard work, with the sole purpose to fool everyone, public opinion included. Well done!
It's not always the act or the episode that are the most damaging, it's the action of other humans afterwards that can do even more harm: Victim mentality and cognitive dissonance. http://therightscoop.com/liberals-burn-american-flag-front-d-c-trump-hotel/
Here be enemies of the state, committers of treason against democracy and offenders of symbols of the state. Even *I* am left speechless. Despite knowing a little *some* people and being "close" to them for some time, they never cease to "amaze" me with their new lows and achievements that only them are capable of. THIS, is "progressiveness", "liberalism", "equal rights"?
No, sirs and madams, this is TOLERANCE! Now take a good, hard look, over exactly where too much of it can lead you, to! Good luck against the terrorists! Worst danger is always from the inside jobs...
This is a truly splendid exhibition of pure-blood fascism. Burning whatever does not serve the one and only purpose of serving you. Vandalizing whatever is not tailored to suit you perfectly. Insulting and defiling symbols that some people once gave their life for, so you can breathe the air of freedom! Accusing OTHERS of the things YOU do. And always escaping unharmed, while crying out just how unjust the world is and how cruelly it treats you.
Thanks for constantly proving me right. I always knew that deep down, we are actually strange bedfellows. Temporary allies. Keep up the good work; which is, constant mythbusting and popping up illusion bubbles, which you yourselves spent many years creating through hard work, with the sole purpose to fool everyone, public opinion included. Well done!
Talk about ruining it for themselves...
These people act like children when they didn't get want THEY wanted. I'm all for civil disobedience if the time is right, however, this is childlike, basically. The man has done nothing yet, and for this they burn the flag and stumps on the ground. If he had went into Mexico to "find a solution" - then most people would try to stop him. Also, people still forget that he will not be a dictator. He still has to go through the congress with his changes....
2000, and now 2016. If they don't like the system that sometimes let's people elected with few votes, then they should try to change it.
Btw: Throwing the word "liberal" at someone just because they act differently or being criminal in their eyes, is propaganda and really shows how little they know. Now "fascism", has been on rise again for sometime.
Bookwyrm627
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HereForTheBeer: "Herp - but you wasted your vote!" I don't see it that way. If you have a dollar and are told that you will not still have that dollar by the end of the day, one way or another, and that your vote gives that candidate the dollar, and if you don't want a single one of them to get that dollar, then what is the choice? You either don't vote and the dollar disappears, or you give it to someone not on the list.
+1 for you, because I'm stealing this.my name is catte
i touch your foods
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Posted November 10, 2016
SirPrimalform: Trump would be hilarious if he wasn't a real person. As bad as Clinton is she was by far the lesser of two evils.
jamotide: Not true. If Trump wants to bomb somebody, the democrats will maybe not let him get away with it because hes Trump. If Clinton wants to, and we know she wants to from the past 4 years, then the Reps will be with it cause they love bombs. Post edited November 10, 2016 by SirPrimalform
Ariod
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Ariod Sorry, data for given user is currently unavailable. Please, try again later. View profile View wishlist Start conversation Invite to friends Invite to friends Accept invitation Accept invitation Pending invitation... Unblock chat Registered: Mar 2014
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Posted November 10, 2016
Oh no, to your credit you did genuinely amuse me for a minute there. But your continual projection of all your faults, personal issues, idiocy and weirdo media-elite fantasies onto me got old fast.
Anyhow, guys like me *are* the electorate here, asswipe. These are my people. I feel the pain that these guys in my area had that led them to vote Trump. You don't know a goddamed thing about it, beyond what you read on whatever website some ill informed fuck like you looks at. You are the outsider here, that is just never gonna get it. Stick to your own politics, you dont see me coming and trying to tell you the realities of politics in Portugal like I'm some kinda "expert", while thinking the websites I'm looking at gives me as much of a feel for whats going on as actually being there. Talk about a high horse, my fucking god.....
And NO, you do NOT have anywhere CLOSE to as much skin in the game as somebody who actually lives here. That's a goddamed insult to everybody who lives in this country, to think you're some kinda equal partner when WE'RE the ones who have to deal with the actual pain of our problems. MAN is that ever a "high horse".
I'm sorry, but your clear level of ignorance and lack of anything productive or intelligent to contribute here means I have better things to do (and people to talk to) than talk to you.
So kindly get on *your* own very well displayed "high horse", take your groundless ass-headed opinions along with you, and PISS OFF!
Anyhow, guys like me *are* the electorate here, asswipe. These are my people. I feel the pain that these guys in my area had that led them to vote Trump. You don't know a goddamed thing about it, beyond what you read on whatever website some ill informed fuck like you looks at. You are the outsider here, that is just never gonna get it. Stick to your own politics, you dont see me coming and trying to tell you the realities of politics in Portugal like I'm some kinda "expert", while thinking the websites I'm looking at gives me as much of a feel for whats going on as actually being there. Talk about a high horse, my fucking god.....
And NO, you do NOT have anywhere CLOSE to as much skin in the game as somebody who actually lives here. That's a goddamed insult to everybody who lives in this country, to think you're some kinda equal partner when WE'RE the ones who have to deal with the actual pain of our problems. MAN is that ever a "high horse".
I'm sorry, but your clear level of ignorance and lack of anything productive or intelligent to contribute here means I have better things to do (and people to talk to) than talk to you.
So kindly get on *your* own very well displayed "high horse", take your groundless ass-headed opinions along with you, and PISS OFF!
Post edited November 10, 2016 by Ariod
Potzato
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Posted November 10, 2016
SirPrimalform: . It's not about what Trump might do, it's what it says about America that they are ok with putting him there.
Yes, what derange me most is that one of the biggest problem US has is the gigantic rift growing between the rich and the poors. And they elected exactly the embodiment of this node of evil inequalities : the bigoted lying businessman 'par excellence'.
Ariod
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Posted November 10, 2016
richlind33: You know what's fucked up? Ron Paul would have done most of what Obama promised to do but never did, and a lot of what he should have done but never even considered doing, but all the Democrats saw was a Republican that wanted to take away their abortion and welfare rights. And they'll tell you with a straight face that they're anti-war and anti-racist. o.O
Hey I'll agree with that. Ron Paul was a unique guy and a truly party-independent type with his own ideas. I sure never agreed with all of them, but he had enough good ones in terms of the issues that truly matter - economic ones particularly. Sure wouldn't have been any goddamed TPP-type crap being considered. He would have gotten my vote this cycle. I feel like his son is a little like that.... but yet not quite enough. Sorta "Ron-lite", heh...
Klumpen0815
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Posted November 10, 2016
SirPrimalform: . It's not about what Trump might do, it's what it says about America that they are ok with putting him there.
Potzato: Yes, what derange me most is that one of the biggest problem US has is the gigantic rift growing between the rich and the poors. And they elected exactly the embodiment of this node of evil inequalities : the bigoted lying businessman 'par excellence'.
It's not that I don't have confidence that the US citizens are capable of scoring such an own goal (the Germans do so all the time in their elections after all), but the republicans aren't exactly known for letting something insignificant like democratic elections stand in their way.
Post edited November 10, 2016 by Klumpen0815
_ChaosFox_
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Posted November 10, 2016
SirPrimalform: I'm sorry, but I still disagree. Trump being in power is scary, the fact that people wanted to put him there is scarier still considering what we already know about him. It's not about what Trump might do, it's what it says about America that they are ok with putting him there.
+1 At the end of the day, the problem is not with Trump's existence. There will always be people with every kind of political belief, no matter how depraved and how repugnant. What this election has basically done is make a statement about America, and it's not a favourable statement in any way, shape or form.
All this talk about trying to "understand" why people elected him stinks of the appeasement policies of the mid-1930s. At the end of the day, either people knew exactly what they were voting for - which in the case of the rich, white, male segment is almost certainly the case. Or they voted for him simply because he railed against Muslims and women, which in the case of the poor, working class, male segment is certainly the case, or they did it as some kind of ridiculous "protest" or blind party loyalty.
That means that those who voted for the Trump are either of the elite establishment that he claims to oppose, vile bigots, or complete idiots. There's really no explaining your way around a Trump voter being one or more of these three, and it worries me that what it says about America that these three groups account for at least 40-45% of the population. Honestly, it's a more severe indictment of American society than it is of the political system. Until now, I believed that the problem with America was with the politics, but it's not. It's with the people.