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Posted December 30, 2022
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arrua: So, here goes some important matters of the survey.
Image3: WTF?
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neumi5694: Why wtf? That is part of pretty much every survey where someone wants to know something about their customers.
As you can see, you can ansert with "I prefer not to say" to every question.
Which of course I did.

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neumi5694: These data are good for metadata. To see how educated or old the people are who want more BDSM in their games and how educated or old those are who want cuddly rabbits. It's all just statistics, good for creating better targeted offers.
Yeah, sure.
Posted December 30, 2022
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wolfsite: I have seen people people complain about DRM but still buy games on Steam,
This! And the "best" is their reasoning: "well, Steam never promised me DRM-free games, so THEY didn't break their word!"

It's like leaving your spouse for cheating on you, but your newly chosen SO is generally known for excessive cheating.
And when people then ask you how these two facts go together, you answer "well, my new partner never promised to stay faithful, so if S/HE's cheating on me, it's totally different!"

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wolfsite: I'm betting these are the main reasons that Galaxy was created to bring that level of convenience to GOG to attract more consumers.
Bingo!
Posted December 30, 2022
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Timboli: Compared to GOG, Steam have a lot more resources and customers to do so and be viable. And even if they don't make much direct profit out of it, Steam are covering their bases and making money in other ways related to it. Part of Steam's advantage is the ongoing psychological one, certainly for new and younger customers, but also game providers. GOG has always had a real battle on their hands, no doubt just as much now, if not more so than in the past, despite being more relevant and having a lot more customers now.
I don't know about 'Most of the gamers on Steam', would need to see some factual data on that, and most in my experience, rarely see it as an inconvenience or even notice it. But most of what you then say, I believe is true enough.

Most don't really have a problem with DRM, until they do, and then their tune often changes. The issue is, that clearly does not happen often enough.
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paladin181: A LOT of people I have talked to over there don't think Steam requiring the client is DRM, and think only Denuvo is DRM, and Denuvo bad. I try to educate them, but it gets difficult when they start arguing from a point of being misinformed/uninformed and unwilling to see the truth. Their personal definitions of DRM don't include Steam, and no matter how you show them that it works exactly like the other DRM they don't like, they just WON'T see it.
Steam drm is very light.
Post edited December 30, 2022 by ChristophWr
Posted December 30, 2022
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BreOl72: People come here to GOG because they like an underdog more like the top dog, but they don't want to be restricted to only the DRM-free games that GOG has to offer.
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LusoGamer: People couldn't care less about who is the underdog or top dog when it comes to buying games. Price and DRM are the reasons. And DRM-freedom is GOG's main selling point, nothing else.
I agree LusoGamer, being DRM-Free is the reason I purchase from GOG.
Posted December 30, 2022
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paladin181: A LOT of people I have talked to over there don't think Steam requiring the client is DRM, and think only Denuvo is DRM, and Denuvo bad. I try to educate them, but it gets difficult when they start arguing from a point of being misinformed/uninformed and unwilling to see the truth. Their personal definitions of DRM don't include Steam, and no matter how you show them that it works exactly like the other DRM they don't like, they just WON'T see it.
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ChristophWr: Steam drm is very light. There is a steam removal tool where you can back up all your purchased games. Similar to gog but without the offline installers
Which I don´t think is legal.
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LusoGamer: People couldn't care less about who is the underdog or top dog when it comes to buying games. Price and DRM are the reasons. And DRM-freedom is GOG's main selling point, nothing else.
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SpellSword: I agree LusoGamer, being DRM-Free is the reason I purchase from GOG.
+1
Post edited December 30, 2022 by arrua
Posted December 30, 2022
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ChristophWr: Steam drm is very light. There is a steam removal tool where you can back up all your purchased games. Similar to gog but without the offline installers
It turns your games into cracked versions*. And it won't work for other DRM, like Denuvo.

(*I'm not judging, DRM shouldn't exist.)
Posted December 30, 2022
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ChristophWr: Steam drm is very light. There is a steam removal tool where you can back up all your purchased games. Similar to gog but without the offline installers
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arrua: Which I don´t think is legal.
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SpellSword: I agree LusoGamer, being DRM-Free is the reason I purchase from GOG.
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arrua: +1
It is legal and im not talking about something like that
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ChristophWr: Steam drm is very light. There is a steam removal tool where you can back up all your purchased games. Similar to gog but without the offline installers
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teceem: It turns your games into cracked versions*. And it won't work for other DRM, like Denuvo.

(*I'm not judging, DRM shouldn't exist.)
Yeah you can remove denuvo only with that or if the developer decides to remove it. But i don’t buy games with denuvo anyway
Post edited December 30, 2022 by ChristophWr
Posted December 30, 2022
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arrua: Which I don´t think is legal.

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ChristophWr: It is legal and im not talking about a crack
I´m ignorant on this matter. But, don´t steam and the developers put DRM in their products for a reason? Isn´t it illegal to erase it without their consent?
Posted December 30, 2022
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ChristophWr: It is legal and im not talking about a crack
It's the definition of a crack, and the legality of it depends on your location. In the EU? Yeah. In the US, it's not legal, even if it should be.
Posted December 30, 2022
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ChristophWr: It is legal and im not talking about a crack
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arrua: I´m ignorant on this matter. But, don´t steam and the developers put DRM in their products for a reason? Isn´t it illegal to erase it without their consent?
I’m not sharing the games with anyone. I’m just preserving them if steam goes down one day. But according to valve they have measures for that matter….but can you full trust on that? Im against drm but i consider steam only drm as very light which it really is but 3 party launchers denuvo i don’t care about. Im talking about goldberg and steamless. Goldberg is basically an emulator
Posted December 30, 2022
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ChristophWr: crack stuff
Could you kindly stray back closer to the GOG survey topic topic, and edit your previous posts to remove the crack stuff -- lest we get the thread locked for your breaking of the CoC? I'd hate to see yet another good thread closed.
Post edited December 30, 2022 by mqstout
Posted December 30, 2022
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arrua: I´m ignorant on this matter. But, don´t steam and the developers put DRM in their products for a reason? Isn´t it illegal to erase it without their consent?
Well ... "illegal" is a strong word maybe, but it's definitly in violation of the licence agreement.
And it has been done for decades.
Post edited December 30, 2022 by neumi5694
Posted December 30, 2022
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mqstout: Building into Galaxy actual GOG library ownership checks*, "Does the person own the title and have privileges to run it?" cannot do anything to further cross-platform play. Some things only have malignant uses. Ownership check that a game can do are one. Now I don't know of any titles other than CDPR actually using this feature, but we've seen it in the API docs
I've not studied the API docs that extensively, and I don't use Galaxy, but doesn't Galaxy allow you run games sourced elsewhere? And if so, and because you can also purchase through Galaxy, wouldn't it need an ownership check to say buy a DLC etc for the selected game? And what about multiplayer, where it is DRM, there would likely need to be a check for ownership there too.

I am not necessarily negating what you are saying, just looking for clarity.

And I certainly don't like what I have read about the Galaxy DLL that comes with the Offline Installer versions, what it does, just in case the customer decides to switch over to using Galaxy. I don't think it should be present in the first place, but you should certainly be able to delete it without causing a problem. At need, Galaxy should just be able to download the appropriate DLL for the selected game.
Post edited December 30, 2022 by Timboli
Posted December 30, 2022
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paladin181: A LOT of people I have talked to over there don't think Steam requiring the client is DRM .....
A lot of people in my experience, tolerate DRM and see it as a necessary evil to protect the seller's rights, and not just for games but for lots of other media too. Most of them don't sit there grumbling about the copyright message at the start of movies for instance like I do, they just have a quiet acceptance of it, just like many of them do with adverts, something else I hate. So many just accept passively and barely think about DRM. In short it rarely ruins their day, if ever.

And many gamers think nothing of paying exorbitant prices for new release AAA games, whereas if we all stood firm, the prices would be much lower. There is just no convincing a lot of people, where their wants and must haves are concerned, and most just don't have the wit to understand the finer elements of copyright and DRM. No doubt because they have been a fed a lot of bullshit about piracy losses and so forth. I'm not saying piracy doesn't do some harm, but nowhere like they claim, and not that different financially, to spending money on advertising. Word of mouth and sharing is still the best promotion method out there.

Oh for a world built on trust, where I am sure the huge majority would do the right thing.
Posted December 30, 2022
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ChristophWr: crack stuff
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mqstout: Could you kindly stray back closer to the GOG survey topic topic, and edit your previous posts to remove the crack stuff -- lest we get the thread locked for your breaking of the CoC? I'd hate to see yet another good thread closed.
I edited them but what i was talking about isn’t technically that matter
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