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Posted February 02, 2020
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real.geizterfahr: If GOG never had the right to offer the German manual, they don't have any other choice than to remove it. You don't want to get sued and pay an absurd fine for offering the German manual of a game that isn't even offered in German here (JA2 on GOG is English only, if I'm not mistaken).
It was ONE manual and through a DMCA request....i'm sure GOG could've taken it down and counter claimed/etc....which I guess they might be doing now.

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real.geizterfahr: It's not about principles. It's about illegaly distributing copyrighted material. Sure, it's a dick move of the rightsholder to tell GOG to delete it from everyone's library. I mean... what kind of "damage" do you have when someone has a digital copy of a translated game manual? But... The fact that GOG distributed it without having the right to do so still remains. And that's the only relevant part when someone's bringing that case to court.
I still think GOG needs to stand firm on SOME issues at some point, else they will keep being seen as a floor mat to some partners/ip holders/etc.

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zenstar: ofc. i'm all for frivolous quips, joking, and whatnot, but a discussion is also good and if we're going to test our opinions against one another then it's best to be civil or be quiet imo :)
Agreed 102.5%

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zenstar: i think we're largely in agreement on our opinions though. maybe differ on a few minor points and severities, but overall we're saying pretty similar things.
Yup....have a good one, then. :)

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Phasmid: *CDPR itself has used 3rd party agents to protect IP, and those agents too were more zealous about it than many would think reasonable.
It seems they parroted the old "every pirated copy is a lost sale" nonsense....also their whole thing reminds me of "don't copy that floppy", and we all know how "successful" that was.

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real.geizterfahr: I guess "the guy who did the translation" is the company who did the German localization of the whole game (probably the publisher for the German market. Doesn't make sense to get someone else to translate the manual).
Interesting fact: Iirc, some companies have used single individuals or small teams to translate some games into other languages.
Post edited February 02, 2020 by GameRager
Posted February 02, 2020
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GameRager: s for something digital/non physical and said content gets removed and they cannot make use of it I see no moral reasoning why one should not be able to get an exact same version "somewhere else" if they paid for it to begin with. Now if one DLd a better versions than what they paid for, then i'd take issue with that.
teh original versions were removed in entirety. teh new versions are subtle lee diff'rent. its not teh same as simply removin' bonus content from an existin' game
Posted February 02, 2020
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teh original versions were removed in entirety. teh new versions are subtle lee diff'rent. its not teh same as simply removin' bonus content from an existin' game
"Other sites" often carry such old versions identical to the ones one paid for....so even if a site takes down or changes someone's paid for game in their library one can still acquire it if need be.
Posted February 02, 2020
This is why I have a rack of cheap HDDs to back up everything I can that is not DRM.

For this site and other things. Eventually drives will die, but a little peace of mind is small compensation.
Post edited February 02, 2020 by windows984ever
Posted February 02, 2020
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teh original versions were removed in entirety. teh new versions are subtle lee diff'rent. its not teh same as simply removin' bonus content from an existin' game
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GameRager: "Other sites" often carry such old versions identical to the ones one paid for....so even if a site takes down or changes someone's paid for game in their library one can still acquire it if need be.
point is KiNgBrAdLeY7 did not pay for teh original 'n' then had items removed; he bought a diff'rent version an' then illegal lee downloaded items not attached to his version

there is a diff'rence.
Posted February 02, 2020
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point is KiNgBrAdLeY7 did not pay for teh original 'n' then had items removed; he bought a diff'rent version an' then illegal lee downloaded items not attached to his version

there is a diff'rence.
Then that is different and I am a bit more against that.

If, however, GOG offered one set of files and then started removing them(extras or even games) after one paid for them I wouldn't be morally against someone "acquiring" said versions they had paid for....that is what I meant.
Post edited February 02, 2020 by GameRager
Posted February 02, 2020
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windows984ever: This is why I have a rack of cheap HDDs to back up everything I can that is not DRM.

For this site and other things. Eventually drives will die, but a little peace of mind is small compensation.
yup. I lost a chunk of valuable files a few years back after a drive crash but I've saved quite a few other important ones by doing this.
Posted February 02, 2020
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real.geizterfahr: I guess "the guy who did the translation" is the company who did the German localization of the whole game (probably the publisher for the German market. Doesn't make sense to get someone else to translate the manual). It'd make a lot more sense to offer GOG a deal to add the German localization instead of getting a manual pulled from the store. But what do I know... I'm just a gamer.
Good call. Maybe it had a separate German publisher altogether.
Posted February 02, 2020
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StingingVelvet: Good call. Maybe it had a separate German publisher altogether.
Looks like JA2 was published by TalonSoft in US\UK & Topware in Europe (including German, of course).
But I'm not 100% sure about this.
Like I said before - these good old games has so much legal problems with it. =)

Anyway - I think we all can agree that the bigest issue with this situation was the lack of communication from GOG stuff.
Post edited February 02, 2020 by Edward_Carnby
Posted February 02, 2020
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Fairfox: point is KiNgBrAdLeY7 did not pay for teh original 'n' then had items removed; he bought a diff'rent version an' then illegal lee downloaded items not attached to his version

there is a diff'rence.
The original was gifted, shortly before it was removed and replaced, in a summer giveaway. That i missed.

The new ones, i bought and were incomplete. GOG promised to negotiate re-adding the extras, but they went dead silent on it, regarding (probably even themselves forgot about it).

Not only it is different, but it is far worse! Paying in order to get less stuff, than those who got everything for free!

Still though, my "solution" isn't only for myself, but for others, in cases similar to the one they raised. If they have their extras removed, they can always get them somehow. Provided that they purchased or otherwise, own the specific game in question here, legit.
Post edited February 02, 2020 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
Posted February 02, 2020
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: The original was gifted, shortly before it was removed and replaced, in a summer giveaway. That i missed.

The new ones, i bought and were incomplete. GOG promised to negotiate re-adding the extras, but they went dead silent on it, regarding (probably even themselves forgot about it).

Not only it is different, but it is far worse! Paying in order to get less stuff, than those who got everything for free!

Still though, my "solution" isn't only for myself, but for others, in cases similar to the one they raised. If they have their extras removed, they can always get them somehow. Provided that they purchased or otherwise, own the specific game in question here, legit.
No one is demonizing you for it here, but technically, you didn't pay the people who were offering the extras (Interplay's Rights holders). Not that I care. If you didn't do the work to create a thing or facilitate its creation, then I don't care if you get shorted.
Posted February 02, 2020
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paladin181: No one is demonizing you for it here, but technically, you didn't pay the people who were offering the extras (Interplay's Rights holders). Not that I care. If you didn't do the work to create a thing or facilitate its creation, then I don't care if you get shorted.
I am a collector. I would love to have everything stashed and gathered, in here. Even if it means paying up extra. Purchasing option being absent, is the cause of the issue. It is exactly because i ADORE the work of others, that i have a need to build up a complete collection.

I know what you mean, though. And i respect your point of view. But at the same time, i need to make sure my business is done, though (collecting + finalizing). I would LOVE to PAY for them and i am gladly going to, if that means i can have them in my game's shelf, at GOG account library. I have already bought a number of extras, for example, like separate soundtracks for all titles that have one, truth be said. And i am eagerly anticipating the ones that aren't here yet, so i can buy them also. Like Shovel Knight Ost.

The absence of choice, pal(adin), the absence of choice begets "evil".
Post edited February 02, 2020 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
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paladin181: No one is demonizing you for it here, but technically, you didn't pay the people who were offering the extras (Interplay's Rights holders). Not that I care.
If he paid the same price for his version as the old one then technically the ip holders got paid regardless & to me that seems fair.

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paladin181: If you didn't do the work to create a thing or facilitate its creation, then I don't care if you get shorted.
I have noticed a lack of empathy from you on a few topics as of late.....not that empathetic, bad week, or borg drone? o.0
Posted February 02, 2020
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paladin181: No one is demonizing you for it here, but technically, you didn't pay the people who were offering the extras (Interplay's Rights holders). Not that I care.
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GameRager: If he paid the same price for his version as the old one then technically the ip holders got paid regardless & to me that seems fair.

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paladin181: If you didn't do the work to create a thing or facilitate its creation, then I don't care if you get shorted.
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GameRager: I have noticed a lack of empathy from you on a few topics as of late.....not that empathetic, bad week, or borg drone? o.0
You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. All your base are belong to us.

Seriously, though:
Do you have empathy for corporations who buy up IPs only to milk them without putting any effort into them? That's what I meant by that. Bethesda can take a long walk off a short pier for ruining Fallout and making money from the originals when they had no part in the creation of the originals. At least Beamdog put some effort into the BG releases.
Posted February 02, 2020
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paladin181: You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. All your base are belong to us.
Lol

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paladin181: Seriously, though:
Do you have empathy for corporations who buy up IPs only to milk them without putting any effort into them? That's what I meant by that. Bethesda can take a long walk off a short pier for ruining Fallout and making money from the originals when they had no part in the creation of the originals. At least Beamdog put some effort into the BG releases.
Oh I misread...I thought you meant users should get shorted, not companies......my mistake, oh soon to be overlord of all humanity. *bows* ;)

(But in all seriousness I did misread that, so I take back that bit)
Post edited February 02, 2020 by GameRager
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