I definitely thing they are pushing the ZFR wagon as it has the most momentum and it's an easy lynch to say "Well newbie mistakes and all, my bad on thinking he was scum" or some form there of. It doesn't feel right.

@BookWyrm - If possible, would you answer #482 before the lynch/EOD

Ok then:

1: It is reasonable, but
2: No more or less reasonable.
3: You could only assume that if you weren't town.
4: I still don't know, I don't remember anything about the setup other than that it is closed.

Looks like we will be repeating day one all over again tomorrow with not much useful information to go on :(

Where's ele? Not heard much from her today considering it's crunch time.

On mobile now, so more limited in posting.
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I will completely believe she has been sincere in her arguments once she is either proven town or confirms it post-game. Until one of those situations occur, whether she is lying about her motive is unconfirmed. Maybe there is an edge case, but I'm not interested in such nitpicking right now.

I have already given my take on her avatar focus and my personal interpretation of flub's avatar. Believe me or not as you like; I fully acknowledge that what I've said about when her sincerity will be proven applies to me as well for people that aren't me.

A scum!cristi PR-hunting flub only says flub is likely not on her team. I've already explained why my first reaction was that Cristi was PR hunting, and I've already allowed that she may be legit and simply have a different interpretation of flub's avatar use than I do.

If he flips scum, my opinion is that people trying to distract from his potential lynch, like Ele, are more likely scum. Yes, she's already on my scum list; I currently think they are on the same team. Yes, maybe I'm tunneling; other townies (suck on that assumption, Damnation! :P ) don't have to vote with me if they think I'm wrong.

If Primal flips town, then obviously my scum read was wrong. I'll re-evaluate at that time.

Unvote: Lifthrasil

Vote: SirPrimalform

@mod - vote count please

I see what you say, but wouldn't that mean that the whole scum team (assuming it's indeed a 3-man one) is not only on ZFR's wagon right now, but they've also voted one after the other. Do you think that scum needs to play it this way D1? I just find it quite hard to accept without at least some doubt.

There are a few things about ZFR that keep me uneasy Today to declare him a "frustrated, inexperienced town that still needs some heavy hand-holding" as some of you have, and get him out of my PoE. That's why I'm willing to lynch him.


I'm not going to let it go to No-Lynch.



What specific about SirPrimalform's wagon don't you like?

I confess I've only been pretending to understand what NAI stands for. But you're right, I don't see him as (particularly!) scummy. He is hard to read though. So yeah, to avoid no-lynch and because he could easily be mafia.

Why is it easier to blame on ZFR's newbiehaviour than on the scumtells of other players (compelling or weak) that people have been mentioning all game?

Considering many have had ZFR in their scumreads for various reasons, some of them non-newbie, I think his wagon has been somewhat faltering.

Because you think the lynch will give us no information? or because you're not going to support a lynch? The fist is a bad thing to assume and the second is a terrible tactic. Better to have knowledge of a player than many have found suspicious, and the knowledge to be able to analyse how their wagon built, than to start tomorrow with nothing!

The "do they have sunsets in space?" vote count.

Lynch:

ZFR - 5 (JoeSapphire, bler114, SirPrimalform, Lifthrabbit, cristigale)
SirPrimalform - 5 (Bookwyrm, ZFR, Damnation, trentonlf, flubbucket)
cristigale - 1 (Vitek)
Bookwyrm - 1 (elebutterfly)

Brig:

cristigale - 2 (Vitek, trentonlf)
flubbucket - 2 (SirPrimalform, cristigale)
elebutterfly - 1 (Bookwyrm)
Damnation - 1 (Lifthrabbit)

(With 13 active players, it takes 7 votes for a consensus to be reached.)

Day 1 will end in 1 hour and 45 minutes.

Well, now that flub voted....I think there is at least two wolves there....possibly three....but am I with you that not sure they all pile onto one wagon. I think one of Book or Damnation is wolf. ZFR possible.

Ah, I answered the first part only, assumed the rest would be inferred. To be more explicit, I don't think scum don't do it, but I associate posting a reads list on D1 as townie 'cos it sets a precedent of recording observations and cases. Any future flip-flopping becomes much more obvious. (All together now: wiiiiiiiine. I don't pretend this is a "good" answer, but it's what I am thinking. I think scum on D1 would be much more likely to coast to the inevitable messy conclusion rather than meticulously type out reads. I can only read suspiciontransparency as town, at this point.)

Well, I saw 24 seals today all flopped on a rock, so there. :P

(Seriously though, I'm away from home on holiday this week on an island, and the lady who owns the AirBnB didn't provide this place with a separate router, we piggyback off the big house, and it's been dodgy as heck... And we've been out all day and most evening. Sorry!)

unvote Bookwyrm

Well that's not going anywhere today. Alas I can't be online for the deadline... so I'll shift my vote now to a wagon I could push with little guilt*, and I'll have to leave it at that I'm afraid. :<

vote SirPrimalForm

*only in game, of course..! If you flip town I will be appropriately remorseful.

Well that wasn't unexpected.

Guys, do me a favour and don't let Flub off the hook for the nonsense he was spouting.