Wait, Strongman is a thing, right?

My plan might stink

What reason would scum have to leave bler alive? It certainly wouldn’t be to frame him, and if it’s for a reason other than that I don’t see it.

+1


lol

Well...you could be optimistic. If SPF is scum!RB, and there's no town protection at all other than the brig...maybe there's no strongman! Or maybe they were 1-shot and already blew it killing Vitek.

I mean, probably not, but you could be optimistic! Maybe we have a super doctor 1-shot strongman overrider. I had to google it since I didn't remember any doctor, but apparently there was one. I guess now that I think of it the pres did have cancer or shingles or something that one season.

1. SirPrimalform claims roleblocker
2. ZFR claims vanilla
3. Lifthrasil claims nothing
4. bler144 claims cop
6. JoeSapphire claims vigilante
7. yogsloth claims nothing
8. elebutterfly claims nothing (cop-confirmed) (chance of godfather)
9. Damnation claims nothing (no-where to be seen)
10. trentonlf claims nothing (vanilla softclaim)
11. Bookwyrm627 claims nothing (PR sort of claim)


1. SirPrimalform - it's starting to look like the mafias could really make use of a frakking roleblocker.
2. ZFR - I want you to be scum so badly. I thought you were town by me being an idiot.
3. Lifthrasil - Confident that it's you. Immediately doubting my confidence.
4. bler144 - you beautiful bitch.
6. JoeSapphire - yum yum yum
7. yogsloth - never doubted you for a second WAIT I'M DOUBTING YOU RIGHT NOW FRAK
8. elebutterfly - copped. Can't argue with that. Not today at any rate.
9. Damnation - who?
10. trentonlf - SOMEONE's got to be the frakking vanilla townie.
11. Bookwyrm627 - I'm betting not scum.


Soooooo what am I saying now? SirPrimalform, Lifthrasil and Zephyr. Would the moderator dare to put the scums at the first three numbers on the list? The laws of mathematics say "SHE DAMN WELL WOULD ALL OBEY OUR WHIMS" but Joe (surprise surprise) has vague doubts that get us nowhere.

So then Zephyr, Yogsloth and.

frak I don't know guys. Can't we just lynch Lifthrasil and prey to the lords of Kobol that Yogloth's patented Roleblocker WIFOM Trap works, and also that SirP (cylon or not) blocks the night kill?

I was sort of looking forward to getting lunch... Suddenly I have to contribute to the game again.

Lol - to clarify, the post about you was total B.S. Go back and look specifically what I said about Ele:

"Mmm...she's the one player I seriously iso'ed because I was finding her suspicious in real-time, and I thought a re-read would really cement that. And if she was scum, the game could be solved!

In fact, quite the opposite happened - that suspicious scent around her turned out to be Carbonade flamande. I could be wrong, but in looking at all her posts together I'm guessing her Primary language is not English. I'm only half kidding that when I re-read her with a French accent she made waaaay more sense, even if she probably speaks German. "

I really did read her with a French accent and thought it was way more townie that way, but the Carbonade Flamande was just for the poetry of it.

So roughly half-true.

I'm not sure if you're lying, but I'm considering it. You could well be Town Cop and simply wrong (more on that in a minute).

Yes, I've fake claimed cop successfully, but that is not a reason that you might not try it too.

This doesn't even deserve a response.

No, I'm asking you to back up your claims with something besides "Oh yeah, they're out there. Trust me!". It is your claim, so YOU do the work. You should know what you're looking for if you did leave the breadcrumbs.

And why would I think that post in particular, whichever post it was, would cause you to rethink Joe so much that you spend a Cop action on him?

Says the guy who specifically reminded us how he created a poison immune ability with no poison mechanic. :P

Per the mafia wiki: "This role does not necessarily make any guarantee about the existence of a Cop in the setup to begin with."

Eh, close enough.

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Anyway. I've thought about it, and I don't think I'm coming off this wagon until Joe is a corpse.

-If he's town, then he has done boop all with his vote pretty much all game, in addition to being useless in game solving.

-He's provided lots of distraction with lots of words.

-He can't even be bothered to get his booping flavor right when presenting his claim ("I shot him in the head. No wait, in the back while he was in a chair.").

-He makes his claim and simultaneously votes Trent, apparently his towniest read, then suddenly pivots to Lift, his scummiest read.

-Post 1264: "Those who woke up to day three thinking "but we thought Bler was going to get ded,"
And how do YOU know who scum were planning to kill?


Ugh. Honestly. If this joker is town, then I'm wiling to take a dive to make sure he doesn't win. This crap Does. Not. Fly.

If you people want to lynch someone else, then you can do it without me. Maybe town still has enough votes.

Bonus: If he flips scum but not Godfather, then we've got our next lynch already all wrapped up. If he flips Godfather, Bler may still be legit and we'll figure things out from there. If he flips town, then boop him; we'll figure it out from there based on the new NK.

I love how you play this game, you make me smile. Let me ask you a question, would you still keep your vote on Joe even if it meant a no lynch again? I agree that his play has been poor for town, but a claimed cop with no counter claim has said he's gotten a positive read on him. Do you think bler is lying or do you think Joe has a role that reads town but is not?

Would I take a No Lynch if I can't have Joe's body? ...You ask a hard question, Trent. I admit that I have a whole streak of spite now chanting "Do it! Do it! Do it!" at me.

I think Joe is anti-town, quite possibly Godfather. Reminder: One of the ploys with Godfather is to act scummy enough that a cop reads you.

Whether Bler is lying is a harder question, and I'm content to leave him unbrigged and see if the Night resolves that one for us. Reminder that we've still got two AFK's before you get too with that lack of counter claim.

Kept forgetting to post these replies.

You know what? I'll grant you the suspicion on me. Neither Adalia nor I are particularly adept at being solidly and generally town read; I don't think I've ever managed it even when I've been genuinely trying.

But under what circumstances would you possibly believe that Yog is scum in this game?

Why? There is no particular reason for a mafioso to assume that town has a roleblocker.

Huh. I gotta say, I don't really know how to place this with either alignment.

"And why would I think that post in particular, whichever post it was, would cause you to rethink Joe so much that you spend a Cop action on him? "

Uhhh...I told you honestly why I did it. I can't control what you do with that information, can I? Why are you putting it on me to be responsible for what you think?

I felt like maybe I was tunneling too hard on adalia and tried to see things from his POV. Then I looked at Joe and he had just the one RVS vote in the same post where he said "town voting is ridiculously important!!!1!" So...I don't think I said "adalia made me cop Joe" - adalia made me read Joe, and he looked pretty appealing at the time, again for the same reasons 5 people dogpiled his wagon, town or otherwise.


I doubt this will satisfy you, but here you go:

A few cop-related breadcrumbs:


#118 vote SPF of the Coppertone clan (cop reference and a sunscreen joke in one!)
#629 Crazy busy, other than going back through and tracking out that EOD activity I only really read one player.
#811 Cycle back: “Mmm...she's the one player I seriously iso'ed because I was finding her suspicious in real-time, and I thought a re-read would really cement that. And if she was scum, the game could be solved! Carbonade Flamande yada yada”

“Don't worry though, you're [HSL] not far behind. I would still eat licorice hat for you. For elepetalouda, I eat real hat. Might need hot sauce to get it down, but I'm good for it. “

Of course, that was before cristi’s claim and the prospect of GF. Else I might have hedged a bit more on the hat. I get that the second time is softer, but I thought it might be obvious enough if I flipped between that "I only read one person! Hint hint! Here's who it is!" and where I placed her in my town reads from that point on without being such a large flashing light it would get me killed.

I mean seriously, I'm not breadcrumbing "Miller" here but something kinda sorta supposed to be kept secret.

#842 “It would certainly be amusing if she fake-claimed backup cop and there turned out to be no town cop at all.” I get that in your current state of mind (real or feigned) you probably won’t see that as a breadcrumb, but I found it personally very amusing to make a joke about being amused about something I knew not to be true.


XO related breadcrumbs:
#694 “I would probably have to check my PM first lest I say something hastily that later gets my lynched for LAL on X-oxamination.”
#810 “Hugs and kisses to you too!

xoxoxoxo! “

I backed off that one because I thought it might become too easy a pattern to spot, since XO isn't exactly a commonly occurring letter combo in English. I suppose I could have flipped it around and talked about oxidation quite a lot, but no one would buy that, prolly.

There are also a few "come at me" moments where I noted if ZFR was vig and tried to town-clear by killing me he would be sorely disappointed (that one was mostly true with a hint of teasing paranoid/bulletproof), and the "trade myself 1-1 for scum." I was willing to gamble cristi was town in part because I had my role claim to at least fall back on if she did flip scum. Admittedly claiming cop after just flipping a fake deputy claim wouldn't have been the stroooongest bargaining position, but I'd at least have info to share. /Shrug.


In the useless data realm, I assumed I talked about cops way more than anyone else (apparently 1 use of the word cop every 1.3 posts), which I am technically highest though Lift was also an outlier on the high side in 2nd at 1 cop per 1.56 posts, and ZFR on the low end has yet to use the word “cop” at all in any post.

He does respond to a post that uses the word “copy” though. Posts per use of "cop" (all hits less copi- or copy-)


1. SirPrimalform 15.55555556
2. ZFR #DIV/0!
3. Lifthrasil 1.564102564
4. bler144 1.366071429
6. JoeSapphire 5.363636364
7. yogsloth 4.2
8. elebutterfly 4.166666667
9. Damnation 1.909090909
10. trentonlf 3.416666667
11. Bookwyrm627 2.366666667

I will be interested to see post-game if the scum team is the players (besides myself, of course, being the cop intentionally talking about cops for amusement) who either can't talk about cops at all (SPF, ZFR) or can't not talk about them (Lift, maybe Damn). But it's probably not quite that simple.


I dunno, deep down you know me well enough to know I'm not frakking with you. I can't tell if this is a facade or if I really peed in your milkshake somehow and just have to hope it passes.


I'll answer questions but I spent like 40 minutes digging through old posts (the chart didn't take long - counting that separate) just because you're being a grumpy butt. Ultimately it's just a game. If you want to be pissed, or pretend to be pissed for whatever reason, that's on you I guess.


I considered that. Though I also think there is a really strategy in acting a bit scummy intentionally with a PR and trusting the PR to bail you out. If you're 1-shot, worst case you claim, draw a block and get NKed. Not actually the worst outcome for a role that generally has negative utility.

That (intentionally having a bit of scum) was a big part of my strat coming in, it just blew up quickly because new (to me) players were reading things I intended as town as scummy and vice versa. Since being forced to claim early would be bad I just kinda shifted back to being myself, mostly.

Which is partly why I claimed - if there's a role cop, I kinda think I was probably copped last night, and just the number of slots a cop could be hiding in was fewer after your "claim" (though WIFOMable, perhaps) and Trent's "No PM" reveal. To be clear, i don't think I was copped for flavor reasons, but I was doing enough mussing about I would certainly have been interested in my slot from a scum POV. I'll be very curious to read scum chat. I teased bulletproof again at some point I think, and a few other reasons.

Anyway, the chance I'd reveal just to be protecting a GF is why I didn't claim sooner even though the game is starting to frak up my RL. I've been telling Poppy since before D3 opened I was probably going to have to claim today.

I just don't see it with his claim. I think his action is legit, since he would have had to worry about tracking presumably as much as copping, and probably his name claim. It's not to say he would be the first GF to go out hunting, but...usually the point of a GF is to remain hidden until they have to act rather than just coughed up to a watcher or tracker when the full team is still healthy (certainly they could have been -ZFR).

And for what it's worth, I think the flavor, while problematic, is also probably legit.

This is one of the downsides to having a game with this much flavor - it's really hard for players to tell where significance and insignificance end...but I mean, clearly some of the flavor here has meaning.

I don't think Trent could have won the asylum game anyway, but I definitely regretted Krypsyn's box, as hilarious as it seemed in the moment. That was definitely a flavour frak up.

Anyway, up to you I guess.

Rationally I think it possible but fairly unlikely.

Psychologically I thinkohmygodhe'sgoingtostabmeintheface again. It's that acute case of YogsTSD I developed back in 2015 flaring up again. I was taking medication for it, but my doctor took me off it due to the explosive flatulence.



Normally I feel like I read you fine. adalia not so much. The issue here is we had a D1 that dragged with no meaningful wagon activity until the final stretch (which I wasn't even here for) and then we've had this bizarro D3 where you and I have been at cross purposes for at least half of it.

I'm pretty sure I've answered this more than once - I view RB as a secondary protection role. If a town doctor flipped (or reasonable claim) I'd be lynching SPF in a heartbeat. So I'm not talking strictly about a 'town RB' counter, but really any protective role that would raise doubts about the viability there.

The thing that still troubles me if scum!SPF though, is what the hell were his teammates doing D1?

Vitek (town) gets off in 403 to take him back down to L-4, but he's conf town. Otherwise no one gets off that wagon until he claims. Trent gets back on 491, flub(town) in 503, ele (copped town) in 509. Claim in 517, trent starts the cascade off in 533 followed by zfr, dam, flub.

The only movement onto other viable wagons was SPF (himself) onto ZFR (407), Lift getting back on at 484, and cristi (town) back on ZFR at 496. Trent + vitek were riding on cristi (where you had been earlier), but despite the gravity of Vitek that wagon doesn't move at all until post-SPF-claim.

Possible all the movement was before that, but still, as early as 313 SPF was sitting at 2 votes and ZFR at 4.

I guess if scum!SPF I do look at Lift next, but I'm not sure where you go from there. Still, that would be a better problem to have than the current.

Book is in one of those moods where if he's not careful, someone is gonna come along and convince him to hammer himself.

lololol ;)

On mobile, so not going to muck about with multi quoting, but I want to make doubly sure you see this (hopefully before bed). Welcome to my Town Bloc Club. Take a deep breath, pull up a chair, and relax a bit. Just don't drink the wine; I poisoned some of it earlier and removed all the labels. I know you don't quite trust me, and that's fine.

For the rest of you, welcome to class Breadcrumbing 502, the advanced course.
Today I'm holding up post 1271 as an example of how it is done. Do it early, do it often, and make it invisible at the time but obvious in retrospect. This was one of the two best examples I've personally seen, with the other being Flub's breadcrumbs for Miller in another game.
Class dismissed.

So yeah, that was exactly the kind of thing I was looking for, Bler. As far as I'm concerned, your claim checks out. As a personal favor, if you're scum buddies with Joe, then please help me lynch him before you win.

-My comment about "that post in particular" was more pointing out I would have no idea which Adalia post triggered you to check out Joe; I simply don't know how I was supposed to find it even if I did the leg work in looking. The key phrase was "whichever post it was".

-I kinda figured you weren't bluffing me on the claim, but I wasn't entirely sure. I've been pushing you in an attempt to get sure, especially considering just how heavily I'm scum-reading Joe. I've also been pushing you to do the leg work because it really is your claim; you should know the breadcrumbs you've left, so you should be able to find them comparatively rapidly. If I go looking, then I may miss them again (Coppertone made me smile at the time, but blew right past me as a clue) or end up helping scum!you by 'finding' things you didn't actually leave. Also, you talk a lot. ;)

-Yes, there is strategy in a town PR acting somewhat scummy, but the idea is to act scummy enough to dodge a kill while not being scummy enough to get lynched. Joe is so far over that line I need my binoculars to see him.

-Wouldn't surprise me if Joe's action (killing Flub) was legit. Problem is whether his role is legit. A godfather will do the kill if the rest of the team is occupied. For example, the team role blocker and team role cop are busy. Or brigged.

-I know exactly what you mean by YogTSD. I've got it too, and I believe I've mentioned being glad he replaced into a slot I already view as town cleared.

-Maybe it is simply how we view the RB role. I view it as an offensive role (causes harm), while something like Doctor is a defensive role (prevents harm).

-I've been having trouble processing the SPF wagon myself, but haven't gotten around to an in depth analysis of it yet. Going over the wagons was my planned task for tomorrow, and I'd be up for an extension.