I agree, though I feel like I need to re-analyse this on the basis of town!Joe and scum!Joe since they're intertwined.

Yeah, more posts from Damnation

Further prods have been issued.

Unfortunately, further substitutions are both not possible and would be unwelcome and detrimental to the game.

Thanks for the bump!

That line was meant to say more "posts from Damnation and ele would certainly be helpful."

Just got to this. The rest of the replies I'm compiling while reading up (haven't forgotten you Bler!) can wait a moment.

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I'm not sure which part is messier. That you are tossing out "The mod gave a public hint to Night Actions using flavor in the daybreak post" as if it might be believable, or that you're saying we could count 6 separate bullet holes in someone's head. The mod didn't give any hints in the previous daybreak post, and even two bullets should be enough to reduce someone's head to an indistinguishable mess.

Actually, I do know what is messier. Lots of people have posted and Joe isn't dead yet. You people are buying this crap? Really??

Yeah, I found this very weird and was going to ask if this normally happens, since I thought flavour is just flavour. But since none of the more experienced players commented...

Just shake your head, take note of who jumped off the wagon, and have patience.

Joe is always today's lynch. Always.

No Townie is going to be this willingly absurd all the way to deadline.

Joe, wtf are you doing with this quote-but-don't-post stuff

I fixed it for you.

Reading into the flavour that much seems like a real stretch. The first post seems like an attempt to play into my new found suspicion of trent (either bussing a buddy or going for a mislynch). I'm guessing paranoia about the D3 flavour caused Joe to backpedal so quickly.

My action says I approached him while he was at his desk, I shot him many times in the back then ran away.

The intro says two in the front and six in the back.

How can I read the flavour in any other way?

Different moderators have different approaches with regards to flavour. Some would give hints and clues like this, some would try to avoid it.

Is there a different game hosted by PoppyAppletree we can look at to get a sense of how she uses flavour?

So, here's the notes I compiled before Joe came and logic-bombed everyone except me and Yog. May as well get this out there.
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Dang it. I knew there was another SPF note that I was forgetting.

If SPF is town, then why did he survive his L-1 wagon on D1? Was it just the role claim? Presumably all scum weren't on it; were they afraid to hammer? Need to review his wagon.

Also, forgot to add the Rabbit suspicion to Lift's slot. Rabbit had a spat of blatant role fishing, and a lot of sheeping during D1.

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*squint* Hm. Add one, carry the three...

Well crap. You're right. It seemed to work in my head, but that side of the equation doesn't actually follow unless SPF was actively town reading the scum team.


*shrug* Could be. I'll take a look at Trent's context in the timeline you provided. Initial scan from 317 to 348 shows ZFR defending himself, with Trent indicating in 348 that he is coming to believe ZFR. As I recall, several of the questions directed at him seemed downright facetious to me.

Please make your "Trent is scum" case again? Who do you see as his scum teammates?

I'll try to make some time to look back over your Day 3 posts, to see what you've already said.

I'm guessing that means "Are they W/W?"
Assume scum!Book and scum!Trent. In the context of everything, who do you see as our 3rd?

Lift was first on the wagon. I went ahead and joined a wagon on someone I think is scum after Yog expressed interest, and ZFR jumped on dropped pretty fast after me.

You mentioned Joe's voting in Post 1058(?). I was still catching up at the time; my Post 1099 was me taking a short break to rib Yogsloth about his Post 918.

I noticed Joe's lack of voting when I was reviewing the EOD 2 wagons, trying to figure out why I was only seeing 10 votes when there were 11 active players (Vitek dead, ZFR brigged). I would have brought it up even if it hadn't been mentioned yet.

It was one of my problem points while reading your posts. Specific lines in response to your number (3) below.

You mean Joe was also placing focus on flavor to hunt for cylons? Perish the thought!

Anyway, it wasn't Damnation last time dipping into flavor (briefly in 891, and more in depth in response to an Adalia flavor speculation).

In any event, I find flavor speculation to try and figure out game mechanics, and especially alignment in some fashion, to be a big dumpster fire. At that point, we're trying to out guess the mod to solve the game.

I wrote what I meant to write. Drink up!

Did you leave some breadcrumb or something in the thread about this suspicion of yours? If so, can you link it?

There isn't a great way to directly quote the relevant pieces, so I'll just stick them in ASCII quotes with post numbers.

Adalia, Post 627: "and cristi's crusade against him based on his 'pylon' seems misguided at best and wilful misrepresentation at worst. My read agree's with Vitek's, she has used it as an excuse to not do anything else for Day 1, which doesn't match with my meta read of cristi's play. To me she is firm scum."

Adalia, Post 662: "Lift's point about cristi claiming. I read it the same way. Time to prepare a claim screams of fake claim to me. I can see how you could interpret it the other way and just assume she didn't want to claim unless she absolutely had to, but it felt far more like scum stalling when I read it through."

Bler, 811: "Well, that's a lovely rational for voting generally. It does nothing to explain your specific vote. Similar to your post about JoeS, this seems to be an assertion of a viewpoint with nothing seemingly holding up said viewpoint. "

Bler, 812: "Or in adalia's case, just not bothering to explain at all, apparently."


Looking back with current knowledge, HSL 'cleared' the slot for me when he didn't try to finish Cristi. HSL's vote coming down on ZFR instead of Cristi doesn't say anything about ZFR's alignment.

Considering that Cristi pretty much rolled to lynch the whole Day without a serious counter wagon, is there any reason to assume all scum didn't help it move?

Looking back, it seems ZFR was on my wagon until he was finally brigged. Do you think scum!ZFR helped brig himself? Possible, but it seems kind of dubious to me.

I'm aware of your distaste for being scum, and I know there are several other reasons for an energy drain. You're right; I retract the energy level mess.

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I'm Bookwyrm951!! You couldn't tell us apart!? BETRAYAL!

Rah Rah Rah!

Having tried the swap, I'm somewhat in agreement. It was one of those interesting experiments (and thank you for the opportunity, Poppy), but I don't think I'd try it again.
From this end, I had some issues in trying to figure out how to catch up and compile the data from a few different sources (game thread, adalia's notes from the QT, and figuring out how/where the admin thread issue fit into everything (doubly relevant, since I inherited Adalia's warning)). Also, there were things like the Day 2 questions sort-of-but-not-really addressed to me that Adalia couldn't quite answer; I could now that I'm back, but that's like week old news and does anyone still care?

Anyway. I'd say that any read you had on my slot from my play should have remained, whatever it was, especially since I was coming back. I'm not saying my double-replacement should have you should be reading me any particular way.


Scum!ZFR doesn't implicate HSloth; there is no correlation in this direction.

Scum!HSloth implicates scum!ZFR; scum!HSloth has no reason to avoid a town!ZFR lynch wagon even if HSL's vote wouldn't have been the hammer (and perhaps doubly so if he can get on the wagon without being the hammer). That close to deadline, HSL would have been able to come up with even a flimsy excuse and expect it to hold up when combined with "we gotta lynch if we're going to!" pressure.

I can't seem to help myself. Gotta serve some wine somehow.

Yes. A lot of this was copied directly from my notes while rereading. The names right after that question (SPF, Joe, Ele) are the answer.

I noted it because it was one of the 'wagon' pushes that we had.