Essay time!

Actually I mentioned it was also a vote-block in post 58, but curiously nobody noticed. Not to mention it's in the rules. Good to know we're all reading thoroughly...!

So who was more interested in the brig as a role-block rather than a vote-block... Book in post 66 is the first considered musing about the brigging mechanic. And... that's it. Maybe some implied stuff from Joe in 68 - no contradiction at least. Hmm. From SPF's "lots of talk" in post 76 I thought it was more than that. HMM.

To summarise Book's investigation, 'cos I got confused while reading:

* you can lynchvote and brigvote for the same player simultaneously.
* brigging is unavailable as of the point there are 4 players left alive (so, 1 scum 3 town, necessarily... right? I suck at maths)
* rules recap: a player who is brigged has no night actions (including scumchat), and no vote, but can continue to basically shout things through the bars during the day.
* therefore, it's been confirmed that brigging a player effectively removes their presence from the lynch mechanic. If this creates an equal town/mafia split in the free players, mafia wins. (See this post)
* waiting on clarification from the mod on whether brigging an active player in a situation where removing their vote from the mechanic creates a majority will trigger the lynch. Considering the above, this seems the logical outcome, if a startling one. (E.g. for my own benefit to work this out: Elespider has 5 lynch votes with 10 alive, so 6 needed to lynch. For reasons we need not go into, LittleHamster is brigged. This means there are now 9 "alive" voting players and it's now 5 to lynch. Elespider would be auto-lynched. In that case the brig-hammer for LittleHamster would be effectively the lynch-hammer for Elespider.)
Having typed that, I personally feel the "alive" distinction is what's important here, so IMHO brigging at this point shouldn't trigger the lynch because there are still X players left ALIVE. But I will fully and uncomplainingly accept Mod's ruling on this one. I know what it's like to introduce a new mechanic in a game, people keep trying to break it... :<

I keep typing "lunched"....

An important point by Joe that it will be very hard to read anything into a brig that lasts overnight, since there will be no proof of anything. But it might be useful in proving someone's role later on..? Also I can imagine situations such as "let me out of here and I'll vote X with you"... that's going to screw with us.

All in all, yes to avoiding the brig Today. Let's deal with Tomorrow when it comes..! What else, what else...

While I completely agree trenton, I feel like this statement came out of the blue... Did this happen in a previous game you've played, or something?

Nice dodge..........

On flub's traffic cone (pylon schmylon), I seriously don't think there's anything in it. We would all be extremely angry if there were. I find Damnation's comment a bit suspect. Trying to defend with flavour rubs me up the wrong way.

I'm actually getting scummy vibes off SPF at the moment. I still think the random.org accusation is lousy given it was the 2nd post, but there are a couple of things that make me think "Uhhh what?" Post 75 quoted above, and post 76 quoted above, and the little reaction to the brig->lynch hammer question as just "Oh that is somewhat confusing". It's all a bit vague and/or provocative.

Bookwyrm, not sure. They're very interested in the nuts and bolts of brigging, and they were the one who started this discussion without considering it as a voteblock. Possibly an attempt to sow confusion? Then again, they are legitimate questions.

flub getting in on the serious questions here... again, it's a legit question though.

{I'm travelling during the day tomorrow, be back in the GMT evening.}