Atlo: I would vote on Joe and Lift. Still waiting for an answer from Joe regarding his vote for Lift though.
JoeSapphire: what was the question sorry?
dedoporno: Who da scumz, Joe??
JoeSapphire: sorry yes. here's what i think
Town -
catv - she's gone mad with apathy
dedo - that post about 'is bucktooth town'
yogsloth - he has had the opportunity to say 'just trust me and everything will be fine' and hasn't. town.
catte - apathy and something interesting he said day 1
telika - fighting hard against the malaise
Townish -
scene - probably a bodyguard, acting like town scene
bucktooth - scum bucktooth was quite different to normal bucktooth, this looks normal?
atlo - sincere and entertaining, probably should be in the town pile only i don't know what he's capable of
huh. that leaves lift as a scum team on his own.
Does catv make sense on a team with lift? Her scumbuddy getting heat with no driving force to argue against might be a cause for apathy. Do we know how many scums there are? Frostburn said something about a solo scum...
Does Joe as Town with all his Mafia experience genuinely believe there will be 2 or even 1 Mafia members while praising all the other players?
In my experience 12 player games have 3 baddies. Maybe 2 mafia and 1 Serial Killer. Only 2 Mafia maybe plausible, I don't know, has anyone experienced this?
Or is Joe trying to make friends with everyone so he doesn't get lynched as a Scum while singling out Lift?
supplementscene: There's more than that. Lift also voted for Joe, who was absent and probably should of been subbed at the stage Lift voted for him.
What's more is he twice claimed I was rolefishing. But in his post where he votes for me, he alludes to the fact I could be town far too much for it to sound sincere and in line with his previous belief that I was rolefishing as Scum. It's almost like a get out when I flip Town. I have copied and posted this post below: [i]The problem is, historically Scene's idea of 'trying to solve the game' is regularly very, very weird. Sometimes he gets some strange idea into his head and even when it is totally illogical no amount of explaining will make him see that he is wrong. That makes him very hard to read. Because it is hard to distinguish him being wrong and acting strange out of habit from being wrong intentionally to pursue a scum agenda. But he is the best lead I got so far. So, with the approaching deadline, I think here lies our best chance at getting scum.
vote Scene[/i] 
I'm not shocked by any of that to be fair. Firstly, we're all in the same mindset about you. I made you a list of issues that I have with you, and I agree that a lot of your posts are rolebaity (starting with your A B C hypotheses on why Lifth didn't accuse more people, at post 279). And a lot of us are hesitant to see you as scum and lynch you, because of frosty/atli reasons (too scum for scum?). It's a bit absurd and insane, but it seems to be a widely shared impression, and as it's also mine I can't really blame others for it.
And the vote for Joe (323) shouldn't shock you either. It's an accusation of no contribution, and yourself went a bit lynchy-the-lurkery (340) so you should understand it. You're even turning towards Catte on these grounds essentially.
By the way, Catte and Joe are both among my suspects for these very reasons as well. So I'm not sure there's a big difference of reasoning there. (Now I wonder if it's a mere difference of target due to Joe and you being scumbuddies and not Catte. That's a potential double standard to consider if you or Joe flip scum.)
Joe is a fine suspect NOW, he was an illegal vote when Lift voted for him and I'll explain why. Lift and I have played many games with Joe when Joe was unable to access the internet. This is very common with Joe, I know it and Lift knows it. Joe being AWOL points to out of game problems and is NAI.
Joes posting since his return makes him a viable candidate now.
