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Atlo: I would vote on Joe and Lift. Still waiting for an answer from Joe regarding his vote for Lift though.
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JoeSapphire: what was the question sorry?
S'all good; I did not ask the question.

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Telika: So, I'd like clarifications -by Scene and Joe- on the reasons to accuse Lifth. Again, I'm all for Lifth to turn out mafia, it would make me feel super clever with my help post psychoanalysis. I'm mentally all primed for that. But... right now Lifth feels somewhat solid to me, which rotates my suspicion towards Joe and Scene.
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JoeSapphire: Do we know how many scums there are? Frostburn said something about a solo scum...
Just one single scum? With daychat? That would make no sense.

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Telika: Also fun fact.

Ten minutes before the deadline, the wagonned mafioso will go all "hey i am the mason i am the mason" and the genuine mason will barely have time to go "uh no, I am", and people will unvote, and we'll have a no lynch.
Doubt it. Should it come to that we lynch anyway. If, by some ridiculosly stupid chance we honestly get the mason -- that's on them for not coming out earlier.

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Telika: Yes, I cheated by reading posts 463-501 (I know, we're not supposed to read posts that aren't written yet, sorry, won't do it again).
Hax00r, hax00r!!!
First your use of the telikatron forumafiavision votoscope display and now this!!! >:(
plz stop hacking

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supplementscene: Do enlighten us
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Atlo: I have reason to believe Catte is innocent.
In due time.

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Currently 75% to vote for Lift.
Got up to get a drink of water. :)


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Telika: And the vote for Joe (323) shouldn't shock you either. It's an accusation of no contribution, and yourself went a bit lynchy-the-lurkery (340) so you should understand it. You're even turning towards Catte on these grounds essentially.
He's also indirectly turning on you as if you're the only person saying that he comes off as role fishing - ignoring the fact that multiple people have said so. Stuff like this comes off as a bit off a bit opportunistic in a, "lynch anyone except me" sort of way. If we a bunch of us can agree that Scene and Joe could be attending secret mafia meetings with each other, then any advise that he has about who we should/shouldn't lynch should be disregarded as if nothing was said.

I know I should elaborate further on that last bit, but I really need to get back to bed.

It's about 2:30am here / deadline 9am my time -- 6.5 hours.
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Lifthrasil: @Joe: fair enough. Upon re-reading you were actually right to question me.
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JoeSapphire: what is this?

i think this isn't scum lift, but i don't know if this is any kind of lifthrasil

((:p))
Sorry. I'm not myself at the moment. My head feels like it is filled with cotton. And not of the candy kind.

Wait. I have to get into the mood. ... YAAARRRGH! JOE IS SCUMMMM!!! HE ALWAYS IS!

There. Better?

@Yogs: what are your thoughts on the Mason discussion? I think you didn't comment on that yet.



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dedoporno: They will always have that. The claim can be made at any point. I have never said it shouldn't be made at any point but to be delayed to when it's needed and it makes sense to make. By "value" I mean knowing the knowledge about a particular individual being Town therefore taking their input at face value. Knowing someone is Town doesn't automatically mean they are correct, have good reads, etc. It mostly servers as a distraction remover and/or one less person to worry about. Alternatively, if they stay hidden a case/wagon can be formed against them that can be shut down with the claim and that push can be taken into account later on. The claim is still made, just not "for free".
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my name is anime catte: No, they don't have that until the claim is made. The later it is made, the less value it has and if you wait until LYLO then scum falseclaiming mason actually becomes a viable strategy.
This is, why I am favouring an early Mason claim.


@all: I went back over Catte and I don't see what's supposed to be so scummy about him. This feels more like a 'hey, there's not much from him. So he's the low-hanging-fruit (that isn't Scene). So, @yogs and @dedo: what are your reasons for voting Catte? Especially @dedo: any reason for voting Catte other than the fact that he has already a vote on him?
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Telika: Why? Anything in particular?
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dedoporno: Go back some, look a bit harder and you should be able to see it.
I squint very hard and all I see is... you assuming that Atlo's Catte thing is about the mason ? Is that that ?
Okay. Stayed up just a little longer to say this:


Joe's Post #461 is flat out goofy.
The fact that there is day chat says that there is more than one mafia.

The existence of day chat has been brought up enough that nobody gets to claim, "Oh. I didn't know there was day chat." Anyone that tries to claim this is just lying at this point.




Anyway, back to bed for reals now.
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Lifthrasil: @dedo: any reason for voting Catte other than the fact that he has already a vote on him?
As I said I prefer Joe but Catte has already a vote going. If others are fine going with Joe I'd switch. Going for Joe without further support is just splitting votes right now and we should start working towards getting a wagon going rather than people just voting around for the sake of voting.


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Telika: I squint very hard and all I see is... you assuming that Atlo's Catte thing is about the mason ? Is that that ?
Nope, it will take more squinting and looking closer. Really have to zoom in, clues are there.
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Catventurer: It's about 2:30am here
Got up to get a drink of water. :)
Riiight....

Telika making a ''Who voted when for whom''.gif
You getting up in the middle of the night

You lot sure are weird :S
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dedoporno: As I said I prefer Joe but Catte has already a vote going.
I don't know what you're talking about with attention and clue and stuff. However : It is, I think, too early in the game (just day2) for a scum Atlo to pull some sort of fake claim concerning a scumbuddy Catte. So I tend to think there's something going on there, worth postponing a Catte wagon.
Seeing as how I dreaded Lift & Telika being scum.
Seeing as how Telike saw Lift & me being scum.
Seeing as how Joe saw Lift & CatV being scum:

I'm at 85% voting for Lift.

That solo scum blunder from Joe though. :'')

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Atlo: You lot sure are weird :S
[Dedicated should have been the correct word! >_<]
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Telika: I don't know what you're talking about with attention and clue and stuff.
I assume you'll find out eventually one way or another.

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Telika: However : It is, I think, too early in the game (just day2) for a scum Atlo to pull some sort of fake claim concerning a scumbuddy Catte. So I tend to think there's something going on there, worth postponing a Catte wagon.
We have 6 hours and we need to do something. Fortunately Atlo is here right now and can elaborate about Catte, if he thinks it makes sense to do so.
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Atlo: I would vote on Joe and Lift. Still waiting for an answer from Joe regarding his vote for Lift though.
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JoeSapphire: what was the question sorry?

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dedoporno: Who da scumz, Joe??
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JoeSapphire: sorry yes. here's what i think

Town -

catv - she's gone mad with apathy
dedo - that post about 'is bucktooth town'
yogsloth - he has had the opportunity to say 'just trust me and everything will be fine' and hasn't. town.
catte - apathy and something interesting he said day 1
telika - fighting hard against the malaise

Townish -
scene - probably a bodyguard, acting like town scene
bucktooth - scum bucktooth was quite different to normal bucktooth, this looks normal?
atlo - sincere and entertaining, probably should be in the town pile only i don't know what he's capable of

huh. that leaves lift as a scum team on his own.

Does catv make sense on a team with lift? Her scumbuddy getting heat with no driving force to argue against might be a cause for apathy. Do we know how many scums there are? Frostburn said something about a solo scum...
Does Joe as Town with all his Mafia experience genuinely believe there will be 2 or even 1 Mafia members while praising all the other players?

In my experience 12 player games have 3 baddies. Maybe 2 mafia and 1 Serial Killer. Only 2 Mafia maybe plausible, I don't know, has anyone experienced this?

Or is Joe trying to make friends with everyone so he doesn't get lynched as a Scum while singling out Lift?

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supplementscene: There's more than that. Lift also voted for Joe, who was absent and probably should of been subbed at the stage Lift voted for him.

What's more is he twice claimed I was rolefishing. But in his post where he votes for me, he alludes to the fact I could be town far too much for it to sound sincere and in line with his previous belief that I was rolefishing as Scum. It's almost like a get out when I flip Town. I have copied and posted this post below:


[i]The problem is, historically Scene's idea of 'trying to solve the game' is regularly very, very weird. Sometimes he gets some strange idea into his head and even when it is totally illogical no amount of explaining will make him see that he is wrong. That makes him very hard to read. Because it is hard to distinguish him being wrong and acting strange out of habit from being wrong intentionally to pursue a scum agenda. But he is the best lead I got so far. So, with the approaching deadline, I think here lies our best chance at getting scum.

vote Scene[/i]
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Telika: I'm not shocked by any of that to be fair. Firstly, we're all in the same mindset about you. I made you a list of issues that I have with you, and I agree that a lot of your posts are rolebaity (starting with your A B C hypotheses on why Lifth didn't accuse more people, at post 279). And a lot of us are hesitant to see you as scum and lynch you, because of frosty/atli reasons (too scum for scum?). It's a bit absurd and insane, but it seems to be a widely shared impression, and as it's also mine I can't really blame others for it.

And the vote for Joe (323) shouldn't shock you either. It's an accusation of no contribution, and yourself went a bit lynchy-the-lurkery (340) so you should understand it. You're even turning towards Catte on these grounds essentially.

By the way, Catte and Joe are both among my suspects for these very reasons as well. So I'm not sure there's a big difference of reasoning there. (Now I wonder if it's a mere difference of target due to Joe and you being scumbuddies and not Catte. That's a potential double standard to consider if you or Joe flip scum.)
Joe is a fine suspect NOW, he was an illegal vote when Lift voted for him and I'll explain why. Lift and I have played many games with Joe when Joe was unable to access the internet. This is very common with Joe, I know it and Lift knows it. Joe being AWOL points to out of game problems and is NAI.

Joes posting since his return makes him a viable candidate now.
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Telika: huh. that leaves lift as a scum team on his own.
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dedoporno: Well, technically there is one other person who can be Lift's buddy without affecting your list as displayed here.
joe/lift WOULD explain why lift backed down... possible?
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dedoporno: Atlo is here right now and can elaborate about Catte, if he thinks it makes sense to do so.
No.

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Atlo: In due time.
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Atlo: No.
OK. 5 hours and change left. Vote.
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Atlo: No.
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dedoporno: OK. 5 hours and change left. Vote.
Vote dedoporno