thanks I understand better now

You know, I was anticipating that you might try making a "OMG! Lynch Catventurer" comment about me posting differently yesterday, so I took a picture of my router yesterday.

Here's what I was dealing with most of the time. It was going up and down and up and down all day.
* Unedited image here: https://imgur.com/56aCq9i.JPG
* Cropped to fit on GOG version attached to this post so that you can't say that I modified the unedited image after uploading.

Everyone can see for themselves that:
1. The connectivity issues I was having were no lie.
2. Since my Internet is working again, I'm already back to posting as I normally do.
3. Let's all assume that I scare Frosty because he can't handle talking to girls.

Edit by way of posting

Attached image was slightly too big and didn't actually get upload. (User Error on my part.)
Here is is - proof the router/modem was down.

You shouldn't have to do that.

1. Of course.
2. Good.
3. You don't scare me. Is this because I never accepted your friend request? You and dedo don't s-scare me bakas!

Dedo?

As of post #45 I have felt so too.

Idk, I'd say that's on par with his playstyle, though I will be the first to say that it more often than not lead to terrible results.

Well, he's Joe for one. But just to straighten this our, okay? You understand that the game Dishonored is called Dishonored and not Dishonoured, yes? Say it after me, we don't need no French sounding spellings in our English, yes?

I think it's fair to say that you've hit the jackpot. He's still a decent lynch option if it's early in the game, we lack leads, and he's just wreaking havoc in our detective process.

I wish you a fast recovery!

YOU'RE JUST BEING YOU!

It's just RVS. It's not that it's impossible, it's just that it's kind of a stretch.

If I am not mistaken, there is an entire subset of players that argue RVS is always just that in the endless semantic and philosophical debates of the Mafia community. That doesn't make it so, at least not for those of the opposing view.

No, sir. I've had my fill of C++ and Python and only wish to stick to finance and law. Maybe even philosophy if we're having beers!

You didn't even say hi back, so go figure!

Yes, you can! But don't vote me!

Pffft. Technicalities. When have these ever mattered in our corner of the world?

To piggy back on the joke above and our neck of the woods, I know a few in the legal profession who'd go berserk at that affirmation.

Cause he's Joe.

Objection, your honor!

To be... or not to be?

Ah, phuck. The Japanese festival has once again been zerged by weebs.

Spaghetti at the wall.

I'm starting to understand that thing they say about German humor.

I should make a poll about humor and pit British humor versus German humor but not actually tell people what they're voting for.

Now this... THIS... this is a funny joke.

There's no need for such words. We're all friends here. And, well, if he is indeed mafia, being the mafia MVP sounds like he's doing a good job. Nonetheless, I'm not quite sure about that.

Eh, happens. I wouldn't sweat it.

Now you're just imploring to be voted.

This forum eats peanut butter and meta for breakfast.

I get you. I thought it curious as well.

Ah, phuck, they do? I thought they were going to be just run-of-the-mill as they always are, but then I totally forgot pooka is a daychat fan.

You only need 10 minutes. They have good clocks in Switzerland, so I take you'll be exact next time, yes?

Damn... if the Swiss have issues with it, the rest of us are just massively phucked.

I think the question here is about the presentation and not the content.

I'm really sorry, Azzy. I must have missed your hello. Please forgive me?

I also had some technical difficulties with my Internet and really should do some back reading tomorrow while having breakfast.


I've also answered that twice and now three times if I include this post when I say that I don't know if there's any deviation.

1. Lift was the moderator for my first game here (LucasArts.) Masters of the Universe was my second. If you count the roulette game, this is only my fourth. I haven't seen him in newbie helper mode across a ton of threads.

2. What I do know though is that I'm not seeing anyone other than Telika questioning post #47. I mean it doesn't seem to be raising any alarms with Catte, Scene, or Dedo for example. Do you see anything suspicious about post #47?

Certified gangster. Too bad this is a game about school girls though.

Of course you'd say that! What credibility do you think this has? Nonetheless, I still believe you.

Life really is brutal.

Lift is so on par for the course with this behavior that it isn't even funny. If nothing else he's one of the most consistent players I've played with.

Tis a reasonable argument. Not one that warrants a clear. Nonetheless, you've earned some clear points.

I have yet to read them.

Oh, boy! Forum mafia literature! As if we needed drier content than the law!

I genuinely chuckled. What a wonderful sentence!

Feisty.

But I concur.

Who?

Idk bout any of that. If that was true, Frosty would've wrecked havoc in two previous games.


Alright! I'm caught up to my second post. Sadly, I must go to bed now. It's past 1 AM and I must wake up at 7 AM for more deal reviewing during the day, among many other things. I shall return tomorrow and continue from where I left off. So long, dear goglodytes!

Here's a bump post in case you need it. I'm off to bed.

For your information they are not the same thing but I now understand your point of view, at least. And yes, this is how I play during the early game which shouldn't really stop you voting me if you think you're onto something as my play doesn't really change that much as either alignment.


As you have said yourself a lot of people aren't in a rush and a few of them are simply absent. I don't know about others but I usually like to have a wider view on things which requires for everyone to have had a valid entrance (not just "Sorry guys, life is life, I'll be with you shortly").

I'll notice that you took Frostburn's "lead" as a motivation to single me out of everyone who "shouldn't be rewarded", though.


There is a reason for that. When it comes to you I'm biased and I can't help it exactly because we tend to see things in a similar manner. A few games ago I managed to see through your scum play and since then I'm sort of going out of my way to try and crack your "code" in a more consistent way rather than just brush everything that sounds sensible off right away. Sorry not sorry :)


I see. Oh well. Thanks anyway.


There are a bunch of posts I'm still going through but since I'm writing responses as I read I'll shortly answer this anyway. It's quite normal for new players to think lynching a Townie on D1 is the worst possible outcome since it decreases our numbers. While this is technically correct, there is always the chance we chose correctly but even if we didn't a mislynch is still better than No Lynch as it trades a Townie's life for information that can be worked with on the next Day. Information about who started the wagon, who backed it up and when, who didn't and why not and so on. All this applies in a different way depending on the lynch result (Town, Mafia, Netural, etc.) but it's still almost always more useful than not having anything. If we don't lynch at all D2 is essentially the same as D1 with the only difference that the scum have likely killed someone during the Night and have done so for free. I know you haven't said you prefer No Lynch for the sake of a potential Townie loss but it's easy to go in that direction if one is more concerned about making a mistake than not doing anything at all. Especially for a new player.


I see, thanks.


It first and foremost means Pooka's PM to you says so, among other things, in a very clear and obvious way. Semantically it means that you're one of the good girls. Sooooo, are you?

Actually I'll take a step back and ask another question - you have read your PM from Pooka and you are aware which team you're playing for and what your team's goal in the game is?


I still have a few more posts to go through but they aren't too short and I'm entering a meeting. I'll be back in about 2 hours with the rest and a most likely some reads and a vote.

No one thought it was? RL should and will always take precedence over the game.


+1

You may reconsider after you see me standing in the shadows in the corner of your room tonight. You know how you can always tell when someone is watching you. Scared now?


You rang?


Right. Finally caught up. Some reads, for the lack of a better word, in order of players list so I don't miss anyone:

Catte - As noted a few times before Catte appears to have more active and engaged D1s when he's scum while being more laid back and inactive as Town. Obviously such meta perception can be abused but I don't really see Catte as one to do so. Not of great interest currently.

FrostburnPhoenix - I share the same impression others have voiced already - from what I've seen from Frostburn's previous games he's usually active and invested but somehow manages to make himself look worse as Town than the actual scum hiding around. That said, I don't really think he's overstepped that much this time, at least not so far and not to the point where the flak he got by some is really justified. I'm not impressed by his re-stated vote on me but I don't necessarily think is malicious by intent, either. Pretty neutral to me.

Catventurer - First and most loud person to cut Frostburn slack based on past games which I find intriguing. CatV then backtracked and sort of piggy-backed on Lift's and Telika's votes to make a wagon of 3. I don't like that.

Lifthrasil - Not a lot out of what I've come to expect from Lift of D1. I thought I caught a slight glimpse of scum Lift testing the ground for a cheap case against Joe but I lost it. It's likely nothing but I always have a hard time with Lift as we tend to have similar thought processes very often even when anti-aligned. Middling.

supplementscene - I followed scene closely last game when I was modding and he was scum in not-ideal circumstances and it stuck with me how he said that he's sort of a liability to the scum team as he tends to get booted first as whatever alignment. Then he proceeded to overplay his hand after doing a pretty decent job staying hidden and in the good graces of the Town and got booted first. Maybe he's learned as doing an even better job now, good for him. I don't see anything outstanding other than the fact the he chose to follow Frostburn's inital push at me and singled me out from a list of people scene considers inactive. Maybe something, maybe nothing. I like to think it's the latter but we'll see. Middling.

JoeSapphire - Proper AWOL. Normally I'd cut Joe slack when he's less active as he's a handsome kind man who always goes the extra mile if he plays [knowingly] with someone else. The thing is he is literally gone from the game to a point where it's likely something serious is going on IRL and he's not inactive because isn't that concerned about his teammates but because of something outside of the game. He is also being best analyised while present and participating because of his playstyle which is not doable right now. I hope he's well and comes back to m.. us.

Telika - I only know Telika from that one time so many years ago when I was looking for the name of a very old game I couldn't remember from my childhood and he came by and told me the name. Thanks for that, even though I have forgotten again since. My own impression is that Telika has been Lift on steroids so far. Appears to have some convictions about the way the game should be played and is readily pursuing those. I like to think such approach to the game comes from a Town mindset and I like to see more of that player during the game. Neutral because I don't know better but I like to think it's Town behaviour.

Ambiti0nZ - Has been non-present most of the game, likely because of IRL reasons. Has appeared recently with a few bits and pieces here and there. Nothing outstanding, mostly fluff. Certified gangster and third most handsome man in the game. Most likely scum. Lynch and you can't go wrong. 60% of the time it works every time. Joking aside, pretty basic and neutral stuff. Could be scum hiding, could be Town not doing a whole lot.

dedoporno - Super-Town, obviously, but some of you don't know that just yet.

Atlo - If Atlo wasn't a new player my vote would be parked there. To quote their own words: "Feels off...". Cammora, man.

csanjuro - Looks fairly lost in a game where the scum have a day-chat. If scum, their buddies have done a good job tutoring csanjuro on milking that.

bucktooth - He feels a little bit wishy-washy and I've seen similar behaviour when we were scum together. I'm not sure I recognize the same patterns but back then I looked at his play with different eyes so maybe I'm not seeing the forest for the trees.


First of all - I'd vote for pretty much anyone if I have to avoid NL (No-Lynch).

As far as preference goes the people I'm more willing to vote are CatV, buck and AZ, I guess. No particular order. Maybe that order.

I don't feel the urge to vote for Catte, Frostburn, Lift, Scene and Telika.

Joe is being a problem on mechanical level and he shouldn't be voted out but handled in another way by the mod if he doesn't appear soon. If he does appear he'll receive preferential, borderline gentle, POSSIBLY even loverlike treatment. By me.

I won't vote for csanjuro and Atlo because they're new but if Atlo wasn't he'd be my top D1 choice.

Time is ticking away and we should be getting things in going right about now. So


vote Catventurer

@Atlo: about to lynch or not to lynch on D1: it is a common misconception by new players, that a mis-lynch on D1 is a bad thing. Of course, lynching scum is what we try to do and accidentally lynching Town is worse than if we manage to lynch Scum. However, not lynching at all on D1 is even worse than mis-lynching Town.

The reason is: Day 1 is the most difficult Day. We don't have any solid information and not much to interpret. If we don't lynch, we start Day 2 with basically the same, low amount of information. However, if we lynch, we get one proven alignment. As soon as someone dies, their alignment and role is revealed. and then we can analyze who voted for them and why. And who was unwilling to vote for them. And who hopped on or off the vote train. This is analysis that can lead to victory for town.

Short version: it's just experience. No-lynch on the first Day leads to chaos on Day 2. Scum usually is happy with a No-lynch on D1.

Therefore: try to lynch someone, but not arbitrarily. Give reasons for your votes that can be analyze the next day. On D1 these reasons are often not very solid, but it is important to talk about them.


@Telika: this is again basic tutorial mode. If you want, you can check that in past games. This very explanation appears in most games that contain new players back to when I was new myself and was on the other side of this discussion.

About my vote: my impression of Frost didn't really change. So I leave my vote where it is.

@dedo: I see. With that explanation in mind it is reasonable that you question me instead of just reading my mind.

We have a bit over 1 RL day until the end of the Day.

@catte, I was looking at the votes/wagons and I noticed that you have made a single RVS vote in your very first post of the game which still stands. Is that intentional? If yes, why? If not, what are your thoughts?

By now pretty much everyone has explained to me that lynching anyone is preferable to a no-lynch.

Alrighty then... I'm jumping onboard the bandwagon! Sorry Frosty.

Vote FrostburnPheonix

For the record, though - I don't think he's mafia. I just cannot imagine that one who is mafia would willingly draw such attention to themselves.

As a side note - I find it interesting that Catventurer, who has up until now, staunchly defended Frosties erratic and wacky behaviour, changed his Vote.

Please, for the love of God, tell me you did manage to figure that one on your own out.

Uhh... thanks ?