Posted June 19, 2022

CarnethystPhoenix
New User
Registered: Nov 2020
From United States

Ambiti0nZ
It's all fun and games until HijacK comes in
Registered: Dec 2020
From United States
Posted June 19, 2022



ZFR
I love gold!
Registered: Jan 2010
From Ireland
Posted June 19, 2022

I really don't want to dig it up again, for my own sanity. I suspect Ambitionz simply misunderstood my "If Frost is Town, Mafia will have to do something about him at Night, or risk his PR interfering with them." and it just escalated from there. I'm dropping this.

"I was reading through posts, thought I found something but it eluded me. I went through them again trying to catch and that's when your first and second posts caught my attention. So I questioned you."
If there is a conflict anywhere I don't see it.

And now question for you, HSL. Why did you ask me about my 102 vote only now, despite appearing online and addressing posts that I made later (so it can't be a case of you not being caught up). And incidentally, why did you quote 181 to ask about 102?

To be honest, I no longer put much faith into my neutral theory now and I definitely wasn't planning to be basing any actions around it. (unless it turns out to be true, in which case I totally strongly always believed it to be true).
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caught up to 254. I see there are more posts after it, but I'm going to sleep now.

RWarehall
Ja'loja!
Registered: Jan 2012
From United States
Posted June 19, 2022

Thinks detective_razza is scum but won't vote for new players on day one, also thinks that either ZFR or Ambiti0nZ is hiding in plain sight (https://blog.n0p.me/img/hide-in-plain-sight/meme.jpeg) with Ambiti0nZ being more suspicious
I will need to look at catte closer as I gave him a pass thinking he was a newer player. Clever player and not easy to read. That said, my initial gut feeling was a Town lean.

JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted June 19, 2022

187 - I wouldn't have thought of Bucktooth as one of the lurkers, but Babark already had pressure and I can see catte not wanting to push a new player too hard.
That's what I make of them. The Bucktooth lurker vote might be significant, but
But I've been reading Catte as town for a while now. I've noticed that he tends to play Day One more focused as mafia, and more jokey as town, and this seems like a town Catte.
Do you think different?

Ambiti0nZ
It's all fun and games until HijacK comes in
Registered: Dec 2020
From United States
Posted June 19, 2022
Sir, it is you who misunderstood. Get the story straight. I presented a very feasible possibility and your answer was "Nope", followed by a shabby explanation for why that is the case, then a point about why you thing for the aforementioned reasons Frost is not a good D1 lynch (who argued for this anyway? I was questioning your line of thinking and justifications), and then ending on a vote for me. Very much sus. But I'm pretty sure you're town. You just have scrambled thoughts or something.

RWarehall
Ja'loja!
Registered: Jan 2012
From United States
Posted June 19, 2022
And I ISO'd Catte. ISO = in search of, means re-reading the thread focusing only on the posts of a single player.
Result: The slight Town lean just seemed more Townie. I'm not interested in him.
Ambiti0nZ being my top suspect, can't help but feel if I knew who he was, it might help...but if he wishes to remain anonymous, so be it.
Result: The slight Town lean just seemed more Townie. I'm not interested in him.
Ambiti0nZ being my top suspect, can't help but feel if I knew who he was, it might help...but if he wishes to remain anonymous, so be it.

ZFR
I love gold!
Registered: Jan 2010
From Ireland
Posted June 19, 2022
Skimmed over the remaining. I'll read Cephy's walls of text tomorrow and address a few other thing. But this...
Ambiti0nZ: It's like thinking you can drop out of college and become a billionaire because you hear of all those randos doing it. But you don't hear of the millions who don't make it, do you? rofl. You're purposely comparing what I wrote to an event that has a miniscule chance of happening: a college dropout becoming a billionaire.
No. A better comparison is "If you don't use condoms you risk pregnancy". I'm not saying you will definitely 100% get pregnant every time you engage in unprotected sex, but I'm saying that you take the risk of it happening.
It's comparisons like this that make me think you're not genuinely misunderstanding but are deliberately twisting my words. And that engaging you further is a waste of my time.

No. A better comparison is "If you don't use condoms you risk pregnancy". I'm not saying you will definitely 100% get pregnant every time you engage in unprotected sex, but I'm saying that you take the risk of it happening.
It's comparisons like this that make me think you're not genuinely misunderstanding but are deliberately twisting my words. And that engaging you further is a waste of my time.

JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted June 19, 2022

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I think you said you thought zfr was scum at some point before, did you? If you did what changed?
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((iso is 'in search of'? I've been thinking it was short for isolate))

Ambiti0nZ
It's all fun and games until HijacK comes in
Registered: Dec 2020
From United States
Posted June 19, 2022



Oh, no! The tragedy! Anyway, in other news...

JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted June 19, 2022


that zfr thinks it would be more likely a scum team would want to Night Kill a claimed power role on Day 1
and za thinks it would be more likely a scum team would want to not Night Kill a claimed power role on Day 1
and they've been arguing that back and forth most of the Day?
Some scums would, some scums wouldn't, both of you are right good work team.

Ambiti0nZ
It's all fun and games until HijacK comes in
Registered: Dec 2020
From United States
Posted June 19, 2022
I ain't biting! Plus, I've breadcrumbed a lot. I wasn't highly influential or controversial, but I gather some must have pegged me down, more or less. The game is more fun this way anyway. Listen, I'm vanilla town. The game states I win if town wins. And if those that pegged me down remember anything about me is that I like to win. So when my flip comes, there will be a nice treasure trove of interactions with me and it will be delicious.
It's me or baba at this point based on a euro time zone. And I have baba as potential scum so far, a bit ahead of buck, but switching my vote will just make people "oh maw gawd, so scumb". It might be a funny play though. I'm considering it.
I did indeed. His strange fixations looked like purposeful twisting over time.
I reconsidered. He seems a bit ego focused so it makes sense that someone like that often gets into questionable situations and lines of thinking because they double down on something out of pride. Objectively, his dismissal of my proposed scenario - where a supposed town Frost could be left alive only to be framed the next day (assuming a number of other variables were favorable, of course) - as unfeasible was hogwash.
It's me or baba at this point based on a euro time zone. And I have baba as potential scum so far, a bit ahead of buck, but switching my vote will just make people "oh maw gawd, so scumb". It might be a funny play though. I'm considering it.
I did indeed. His strange fixations looked like purposeful twisting over time.
I reconsidered. He seems a bit ego focused so it makes sense that someone like that often gets into questionable situations and lines of thinking because they double down on something out of pride. Objectively, his dismissal of my proposed scenario - where a supposed town Frost could be left alive only to be framed the next day (assuming a number of other variables were favorable, of course) - as unfeasible was hogwash.

CarnethystPhoenix
New User
Registered: Nov 2020
From United States
Posted June 19, 2022
Look at Cephy's vote [here[/https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_76_trouble_in_the_lucas_arts_multiverse/post264]https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_76_trouble_in_the_lucas_arts_multiverse/post264=]here[/https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_76_trouble_in_the_lucas_arts_multiverse/post264], look at his reason given, look at the timing, and look at the vote count at the time. Does that not look scummy?

Ambiti0nZ
It's all fun and games until HijacK comes in
Registered: Dec 2020
From United States
Posted June 19, 2022
I don't necessarily think it *more likely*. That's how my point was portrayed erroneously. I think it is a worthy possibility with a high degree of probability depending on the risk appetite of mafia. Alas, this scenario is only possible with a town Frost. But I am no longer pegging him as town. Instead I am pegging him as scum.

Catventurer
Savior of Cats
Registered: Mar 2021
From United States