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LordCephy: votes for babark instead on the basis I'd rather have a participating mafia over a possibly disinterested townie.
Big scum read. It also makes sense if you're AZ's buddy because that gives you a very good reason to vote babark so suddenly, as he had the second highest amount of votes.
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LordCephy: votes for babark instead on the basis I'd rather have a participating mafia over a possibly disinterested townie.
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FrostburnPhoenix: Big scum read. It also makes sense if you're AZ's buddy because that gives you a very good reason to vote babark so suddenly, as he had the second highest amount of votes.
You know, your reactions get more and more incriminating. Depending on how the train goes, my reads might change, but you're definitely on my scum list now and before the day is over, I'm posting it and people will definitely take a harder look at you next. Tick, tock. Do keep posting. I find you getting more suspicious by the post.
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HypersomniacLive: @ZFR and @Ambiti0nZ, I've gone over your exchanges a couple of times, and I'm not sure I actually got what the problem between the two of you is. Could each of you, please, make your case for the other? Thank you.
No.
I really don't want to dig it up again, for my own sanity. I suspect Ambitionz simply misunderstood my "If Frost is Town, Mafia will have to do something about him at Night, or risk his PR interfering with them." and it just escalated from there. I'm dropping this.

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ZFR: No I'm not avoiding it. I replied twice. Let me repeat a third time what I wrote:

"I was reading through posts, thought I found something but it eluded me. I went through them again trying to catch and that's when your first and second posts caught my attention. So I questioned you."

If there is a conflict anywhere I don't see it.
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HypersomniacLive: Why did you vote FrostburnPhoenix in post #102?
I asked him a question (#88). He appeared online and posted (#99) but didn't address my question at all (#99). So I repeated my question, in 102 this time with a vote to put more pressure on him.

And now question for you, HSL. Why did you ask me about my 102 vote only now, despite appearing online and addressing posts that I made later (so it can't be a case of you not being caught up). And incidentally, why did you quote 181 to ask about 102?


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RWarehall: ZFR and his proclamations about neutrals (and sticking to it despite macleod's late dropout strikes me a little off.
You know what bragging rights are? Just not-so-serious theories that you can put forward and then say "I told you so!" after game is over if they turn out to be correct. I forgot about macleod's late dropout until it was mentioned in this game.

To be honest, I no longer put much faith into my neutral theory now and I definitely wasn't planning to be basing any actions around it. (unless it turns out to be true, in which case I totally strongly always believed it to be true).

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caught up to 254. I see there are more posts after it, but I'm going to sleep now.
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LordCephy: RWarehall 254 -> unvotes dedoporno, vote Ambiti0nZ
Thinks detective_razza is scum but won't vote for new players on day one, also thinks that either ZFR or Ambiti0nZ is hiding in plain sight (https://blog.n0p.me/img/hide-in-plain-sight/meme.jpeg) with Ambiti0nZ being more suspicious
Don't leave out HSL whose contribution seems less than usual. Although in the order Ambiti0nZ, ZFR, HSL. I did name him too. Although he seems time crunched and that may explain it.

I will need to look at catte closer as I gave him a pass thinking he was a newer player. Clever player and not easy to read. That said, my initial gut feeling was a Town lean.
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HypersomniacLive: @all - could you take a look at Catte's posts #48 and #187, and tell me how they read to you?
48 - Either catte is simply reminding razza to replace her vote, or catte is curious that razza is not comitted to the failed vote.

187 - I wouldn't have thought of Bucktooth as one of the lurkers, but Babark already had pressure and I can see catte not wanting to push a new player too hard.

That's what I make of them. The Bucktooth lurker vote might be significant, but

But I've been reading Catte as town for a while now. I've noticed that he tends to play Day One more focused as mafia, and more jokey as town, and this seems like a town Catte.

Do you think different?
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ZFR: No.
I really don't want to dig it up again, for my own sanity. I suspect Ambitionz simply misunderstood my "If Frost is Town, Mafia will have to do something about him at Night, or risk his PR interfering with them." and it just escalated from there. I'm dropping this.
Sir, it is you who misunderstood. Get the story straight. I presented a very feasible possibility and your answer was "Nope", followed by a shabby explanation for why that is the case, then a point about why you thing for the aforementioned reasons Frost is not a good D1 lynch (who argued for this anyway? I was questioning your line of thinking and justifications), and then ending on a vote for me. Very much sus. But I'm pretty sure you're town. You just have scrambled thoughts or something.
And I ISO'd Catte. ISO = in search of, means re-reading the thread focusing only on the posts of a single player.

Result: The slight Town lean just seemed more Townie. I'm not interested in him.

Ambiti0nZ being my top suspect, can't help but feel if I knew who he was, it might help...but if he wishes to remain anonymous, so be it.
Skimmed over the remaining. I'll read Cephy's walls of text tomorrow and address a few other thing. But this...

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Ambiti0nZ: It's like thinking you can drop out of college and become a billionaire because you hear of all those randos doing it. But you don't hear of the millions who don't make it, do you?
rofl. You're purposely comparing what I wrote to an event that has a miniscule chance of happening: a college dropout becoming a billionaire.

No. A better comparison is "If you don't use condoms you risk pregnancy". I'm not saying you will definitely 100% get pregnant every time you engage in unprotected sex, but I'm saying that you take the risk of it happening.

It's comparisons like this that make me think you're not genuinely misunderstanding but are deliberately twisting my words. And that engaging you further is a waste of my time.
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Ambiti0nZ: before the day is over, I'm posting it and people will definitely take a harder look at you next.
You sense the end is nigh?


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Ambiti0nZ: But I'm pretty sure you're town. You just have scrambled thoughts or something.
I think you said you thought zfr was scum at some point before, did you? If you did what changed?

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((iso is 'in search of'? I've been thinking it was short for isolate))
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ZFR: rofl. You're purposely comparing what I wrote to an event that has a miniscule chance of happening: a college dropout becoming a billionaire.
I'm using a tropey example to present the concept of survivorship bias. Chill, hombre.

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ZFR: No. A better comparison is "If you don't use condoms you risk pregnancy". I'm not saying you will definitely 100% get pregnant every time you engage in unprotected sex, but I'm saying that you take the risk of it happening.
That's not survivorship bias unless we're focusing on two instances of protected sex via condom that resulted in pregnancy and dismiss condoms with a "Nope" because of that. Yes, this is a jab at you.

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ZFR: It's comparisons like this that make me think you're not genuinely misunderstanding but are deliberately twisting my words.
That's because you're misunderstanding the schpeal once again, probably because of ego.

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ZFR: And that engaging you further is a waste of my time.
Oh, no! The tragedy! Anyway, in other news...
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ZFR: No. A better comparison is "If you don't use condoms you risk pregnancy". I'm not saying you will definitely 100% get pregnant every time you engage in unprotected sex, but I'm saying that you take the risk of it happening.
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Ambiti0nZ: That's not survivorship bias unless we're focusing on two instances of protected sex via condom that resulted in pregnancy and dismiss condoms with a "Nope" because of that. Yes, this is a jab at you.
IS WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE

that zfr thinks it would be more likely a scum team would want to Night Kill a claimed power role on Day 1

and za thinks it would be more likely a scum team would want to not Night Kill a claimed power role on Day 1

and they've been arguing that back and forth most of the Day?


Some scums would, some scums wouldn't, both of you are right good work team.
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RWarehall: can't help but feel if I knew who he was, it might help
I ain't biting! Plus, I've breadcrumbed a lot. I wasn't highly influential or controversial, but I gather some must have pegged me down, more or less. The game is more fun this way anyway. Listen, I'm vanilla town. The game states I win if town wins. And if those that pegged me down remember anything about me is that I like to win. So when my flip comes, there will be a nice treasure trove of interactions with me and it will be delicious.

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JoeSapphire: You sense the end is nigh?
It's me or baba at this point based on a euro time zone. And I have baba as potential scum so far, a bit ahead of buck, but switching my vote will just make people "oh maw gawd, so scumb". It might be a funny play though. I'm considering it.

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JoeSapphire: I think you said you thought zfr was scum at some point before, did you?
I did indeed. His strange fixations looked like purposeful twisting over time.

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JoeSapphire: If you did what changed?
I reconsidered. He seems a bit ego focused so it makes sense that someone like that often gets into questionable situations and lines of thinking because they double down on something out of pride. Objectively, his dismissal of my proposed scenario - where a supposed town Frost could be left alive only to be framed the next day (assuming a number of other variables were favorable, of course) - as unfeasible was hogwash.
Look at Cephy's vote [here[/https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_76_trouble_in_the_lucas_arts_multiverse/post264]https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_76_trouble_in_the_lucas_arts_multiverse/post264=]here[/https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_76_trouble_in_the_lucas_arts_multiverse/post264], look at his reason given, look at the timing, and look at the vote count at the time. Does that not look scummy?
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JoeSapphire: and za thinks it would be more likely a scum team would want to not Night Kill a claimed power role on Day 1
I don't necessarily think it *more likely*. That's how my point was portrayed erroneously. I think it is a worthy possibility with a high degree of probability depending on the risk appetite of mafia. Alas, this scenario is only possible with a town Frost. But I am no longer pegging him as town. Instead I am pegging him as scum.
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LordCephy: RWarehall 254 -> unvotes dedoporno, vote Ambiti0nZ
Thinks detective_razza is scum but won't vote for new players on day one, also thinks that either ZFR or Ambiti0nZ is hiding in plain sight (https://blog.n0p.me/img/hide-in-plain-sight/meme.jpeg) with Ambiti0nZ being more suspicious
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RWarehall: Don't leave out HSL whose contribution seems less than usual. Although in the order Ambiti0nZ, ZFR, HSL. I did name him too. Although he seems time crunched and that may explain it.

I will need to look at catte closer as I gave him a pass thinking he was a newer player. Clever player and not easy to read. That said, my initial gut feeling was a Town lean.
HSL = HypersomniacLive?
I might have missed that until I saw his name in the post immediately above this one and only then placed HSL as a username. He does seem like someone who is a bit busy.


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LordCephy: votes for babark instead on the basis I'd rather have a participating mafia over a possibly disinterested townie.
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FrostburnPhoenix: Big scum read. It also makes sense if you're AZ's buddy because that gives you a very good reason to vote babark so suddenly, as he had the second highest amount of votes.
If you want to know why I voted or didn't vote for someone, just ask. I have nothing to hide and will be more than will to give an exact reason. I need to go feed my cat. When I get back, I will go over why I did or didn't vote for each person that is participating.

We'll start with babark now though. I voted for babark on the basis that he didn't post much of anything beyond here's my vote until detective_razza made a post calling out the fact that he hasn't posted much. Other votes for barbark were for similar reasons. This guy doesn't post much, and it is something I can agree 100% with.
Source: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_76_trouble_in_the_lucas_arts_multiverse/post264

Other people have cited already in this thread that they follow a house rule about not voting for new players on day one. This means that even if I decided nah, I'm not doing that, there still will not be enough votes to lynch you. So there you go.

It's also very interesting that you are suddenly concerned that I voted for babark today and not the fact that I blatantly will vote for you on game day #2.

You might want to grab a shovel while you continue to dig your own grave. (see attachment)
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