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Posted August 16, 2021
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Bookwyrm627: ZFR: I'm caught up, so feel free to drop a vote any time.
I'm voting Lift today.

I still can't believe you genuinely would belive Godfather is not OPed in this setup.

And further to that, that godfather!me after getting that holy-grail-of-godfathers, getting copped just as intended, instead of trying to make use of that advantage, what would he do? He would start the Day with a botched up not-rehearsed attempt of accusing fellow Mafioso of being a Neutral Survivor. I mean... seriously? That's not even fringe.
Posted August 16, 2021
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Bookwyrm627: I don't think the Godfather is OP. The mere fact that it exists says "You're going to have to play the game instead of blindly trusting whatever the Cop said", and that's all.

Scum don't get any extra power from it unless town just blindly believes the Cop was correc...oh. Yeah, I guess the godfather is OP. :P
It's OP in the sense that it significantly weakens the cop, which is a strong town role normally. So I stand by calling it OP and not the sort of thing one might add when rebalancing the game because you just added a mafioso.
Posted August 16, 2021
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Bookwyrm627: It's clear I'm not getting Joe toDay regardless, but Lift is just as good now.
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dedoporno: You can still try to get him Tonight ;)
And waste a NK on a Commuter? :P

(For those who don't see it, this is a joke, not a confession.)

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JoeSapphire: Hey. Sorry to be that guy who only cares about himself but

why do you think I'm scum? Just because I was 5th vote on Gym's wagon Day One?
Not just because. I don't like how you lurked through Day 1 until you picked up a wagon, I don't like your reasoning for your votes, I don't like how you claimed on Day 2 (not revealing immediately whether you used your power N1), I don't like how you had to be pushed before revealing whether you took action, and I don't like how the Pre-game potential setup has suddenly been busted out as proof of your claim.

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ZFR: I still can't believe you genuinely would belive Godfather is not OPed in this setup.
Why should I? It just gives a Cop a potential misread. As has already been said, its a glorified Goon unless a Cop successfully checks it and lives long enough to tell the tale.

it's nice to have in Scum's pocket, but it isn't a game winner by itself. It shouldn't be, anyway.

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ZFR: And further to that, that godfather!me after getting that holy-grail-of-godfathers, getting copped just as intended, instead of trying to make use of that advantage, what would he do? He would start the Day with a botched up not-rehearsed attempt of accusing fellow Mafioso of being a Neutral Survivor. I mean... seriously? That's not even fringe.
*shrug* I see what I see. If I'm wrong, then oops.
Posted August 16, 2021
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Lifthrasil: ~ I am also limited shots bullet proof. One shot was used up in N1, when I was targeted with a NK. Apparently I was towny enough on D1.
Did you consciously use the shot or are you automatically bulletproof? If the former, why did you use it?
Posted August 16, 2021
Found a nice restaurant with WLAN and just saw your funny reactions. ZFR, who had correctly read me as neutral, goes 'no way!' at the confirmation that he was right. Scum, of course, rejoices. Bookwyrm, you can thank me later for saving your behind. All those, who actually are town in my speedwagon fail to ask themselves why I, as scum without a target on me, would expose myself with such a claim. It's clear, I wouldn't do such a claim as Town. I don't lie as town. But what benefit would I have from such a claim as scum? ... Well, that leaves the question, what is more realistic. That pooka included a neutral survivor or that he included a Jester?

Well, since the reactions were quite amusing, and you all made the choice not to believe me, let's add even more confusion by doing something I'd never do.

Vote Lifthrasil

Totally out of character? Yes. Deal with it. :-D
Posted August 16, 2021
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Cadaver747: No counterclaim confirms it, risking his life to meet another Commuter confirms it even more. Don't you agree?
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Bookwyrm627: Obviously I don't agree, but it looks like I'm generally out-voted on this point.
I admit that Joe's claim was odd to make, especially on L-2 wagon based on his absence. Let's think this over. That claim might have sense to signal Cop to look elsewhere, however if he read the Sign-Up thread with Pooka's role projection he knew that Macho Cop is as good as dead, unless he thought that a plus 1 player (12 instead of 11) could mean that Pooka changed it into normal Cop. I don't think I saw Joe mentioned something like this, but it could be the case. Nevertheless if he is Town that claim is good for Mafia, yet it could also cement him as Town and shielded him from Mafia's NK.
Now let's discuss our options here, so Joe read the Pooka's role menu and claimed Commuter. Why Commuter of all things? To point us to Pooka's post and prove that it's a thing, especially after dead Cop flips Macho? Convenient? Yes. Risky? I say too risky. What about real Town Commuter? Why he/she didn't respond? Because GOG Mafia with 2 Commuters is a possibility? Well, I don't know but let's assume it's a well known thing. So it's going like this:
1) Joe is Mafia
Joe-the false-Commuter claimed Commuter
Town-Commuter counterclaimed
Result: Town probably would lynch one, if he/she flips Town, lynch another. Result: stupid death, no real gain.

2) Joe is Mafia
same as above but this time Town-Commuter keep his/her mouth shut just because (believe in 2 Commuters, or waiting for an opportunity to claim later and looking as to who support Joe the most)
Result: if real Town Commuter is mislynched, Joe will be lynched as well. Result: same death, but live a bit longer, no real gain unless Mafia need time for something else.

3) Joe is Town
He just claimed his role hoping that Cop will do his best searching Mafia.

4) Joe is something entirely else, Town or not
I already mused about lying Town and Neutral in post#655 yet no one reacted.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_73_soleannas_supreme_guardians/post655

Dedo mentioned that Cop claim (if done before Micro's like ZFR pointed out) or Doctor claim might have sense to do in order to fish out Town PR (I agree completely), but claiming Commuter for the risk of being lynched in case of Commuter #2, I don't get it. How many Town would believe in 2 Commuters? I want to understand you.
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Lifthrasil:
Bump
Post edited August 16, 2021 by Cadaver747
Posted August 16, 2021
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Lifthrasil: ~ I am also limited shots bullet proof. One shot was used up in N1, when I was targeted with a NK. Apparently I was towny enough on D1.
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dedoporno: Did you consciously use the shot or are you automatically bulletproof? If the former, why did you use it?
No decision. It's automatic. I survived the first X kill attempts. After that, I'm a vanilla survivor.
Posted August 16, 2021
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Cadaver747: EDITED
I'LL EDIT YOUR FACE!
Posted August 16, 2021
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Cadaver747: EDITED
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PookaMustard: I'LL EDIT YOUR FACE!
Frigging GOG Forum, why on Earth I bumped Lift??? I hate it so much!
Posted August 16, 2021
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dedoporno: ...
Just hammer now.

If Lift is a neutral Survivor I'll go buy a lottery ticket.
Posted August 16, 2021
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JoeSapphire: Hey. Sorry to be that guy who only cares about himself but

why do you think I'm scum? Just because I was 5th vote on Gym's wagon Day One?
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Bookwyrm627: Not just because. I don't like how you lurked through Day 1 until you picked up a wagon, I don't like your reasoning for your votes, I don't like how you claimed on Day 2 (not revealing immediately whether you used your power N1), I don't like how you had to be pushed before revealing whether you took action, and I don't like how the Pre-game potential setup has suddenly been busted out as proof of your claim.
lol ok.
I did all those things but I'm town. fml I guess.



Kinda town reading Bookwyrm right now. If it is him and Lift and does he use this opportunity to go so hard at ZFR and Joe, instead of trying to take as much credit for Lift's claim as possible and hard distancing?

I guess if it's Bookwyrm and Lift and it looks like ZFR's leading the game to victory and it's looking like there's a doc out there somewhere then it might look like your only hope is to erode faith in ZFR.

But he does seem to prioritise my lunch over ZFR's.


Yeah probs he's just setting up for Lift to flip scum and try and swing this Joe-ZFR-Lift combo.
Posted August 16, 2021
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Lifthrasil: ZFR, who had correctly read me as neutral, goes 'no way!' at the confirmation that he was right.
I explained several times why I made the guess in the first place and why I stopped believing it....
Posted August 16, 2021
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Cadaver747: 2) Joe is Mafia
same as above but this time Town-Commuter keep his/her mouth shut just because (believe in 2 Commuters, or waiting for an opportunity to claim later and looking as to who support Joe the most)
Result: if real Town Commuter is mislynched, Joe will be lynched as well. Result: same death, but live a bit longer, no real gain unless Mafia need time for something else.
Well if I was mafia there wouldn't NECESSARILY be a commuter because that list isn't what's being used here it was just something Pooka proposed at that time and never referred to again.

But, as it is I'm not mafia so it doesn't matter.
Posted August 16, 2021
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PookaMustard: I'LL EDIT YOUR FACE!
I think Cadaver was a victim of the new page bug there. Lift's post showed as the most recent and he requested a bump.
Posted August 16, 2021
We have a self-vote. Somone hammer.

I want to get to work, but the suspense is killing me.
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