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dedoporno: "Apparently reliable" is not the same as "this is our situation now". Also, Pooka's post says there are going to be 2 scum in setup and doesn't even mention a Neutral. The 3 scum scenario came later on when when the setup supposedly changed (and I believe it still never included the Neutral player). So I'd say it would be unwise to make the assumption you're making based on the publicly available information as it'll send down a bad road eventually.
that's my recap for myself, of what I think it's probable. You don't have to agree with me. :)
As for the 2 or 3, I asked if "Goon" could mean two of them as there was another post saying that there are 3 scum in total. I don't know how things usually are or have been previously. Thanks for your clarification.
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Bookwyrm627: I admit I haven't been watching for neutrals. Who do you think might be neutral?
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ZFR: Lift. I have no proof or anything but it would fit with the fact that I found his play strange this game, but couldn't put my finger on anything in particular. Not scummy, just strange.
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Lifthrasil: *poke*
Yo Lift, are you a Survivor?
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Mogdaus: that's my recap for myself, of what I think it's probable. You don't have to agree with me. :)
That's why I asked what that was - if it was your interpretation of the current events or somehow it's been confirmed that this is in fact what's going on.

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Mogdaus: As for the 2 or 3, I asked if "Goon" could mean two of them as there was another post saying that there are 3 scum in total.
A Goon is a Goon as in single powerless mafia - the equivalent of Town Vanilla. The post says "6xVanilla" and it doesn't say "2xGoon". Anyway, I got my answer, thanks.
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dedoporno: Also, Pooka's post says there are going to be 2 scum in setup
Wait, what??!!

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You're totally right.

I was so totally under the impression that original setup had 3vs8. I completely missed it.

My whole Neutral assumption was because I thought that the best way of switching from 3vs8 to a 12 player game was to simply add a Neutral Survivor.

This of course changes everything.

I take it back, there is no Survivor.

Pooka changed it from 11 to 12 by adding a Mafioso. Did he add a PR to Town to compensate? Did he remove Blocker (or made limited shots)? Guess we'll find out. But that should be an indication to you that there is no Godfather, if there was still such a doubt (and I know how saying it myself sounds LAMIST).

Thank you dedo for drawing my attention to this. I'm a dummy.

As a reward, you get an unvote.

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Well, this doesn't change my PoE much, but now Lift is in the circle of suspects too.

Vote Lift?

nah

Vote Bookwyrm

This has the added bonus that if he is Mafia and gets lynched he can no longer say he's never lynched as Mafia.

vote Bookwyrm


1 voted NL at first
2 treated Mango's vote for me as valid, as they had discussed that in their chat, and was expecting it, while it was not even clear if it was about me or a joke.
3 just a feeling about it, sorry
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Dogmaus:
vote Bookwyrm
Alarm! Alarm!
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ZFR: Thank you dedo for drawing my attention to this. I'm a dummy.
Nah, you're the best there is. One can't go wrong by sticking with you!

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ZFR: As a reward, you get an unvote.
Oh my!


Damn, why is it every time I feel like voting someone there is a sudden surge of votes against that person?!
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Dogmaus:
vote Bookwyrm
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ZFR: Alarm! Alarm!
I love this. But who's stealing what uniform? XD
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Bookwyrm627: Vote JoeSapphire
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Lifthrasil: Why?
I admit, I was ready to start the day voting for Joe too so I don't find this post of Book's too suspicious. The much weirder one is that he came back after Joe's "revelation" and had 0 thoughts on it and left his vote there.

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Lifthrasil: Did you just reveal the number of your shots? Why? To gain credibility?

Other thought:
flubb made quite an interesting 180° turn from not hammering GH relatively close to the deadline to hammering him with more than a day to go. Townie-panic not to make the same mistake again? Or scum trying to look townie after gleefully letting D1 go to NL?
But here's the thing, it's to be assumed that the game has been rebalanced for the extra player. If Pooka increased the number of mafia he probably beefed up the town a little, since the game was balanced for 9v2 instead of 9v3. What I'm saying is, stop this rolefishing!
On flub: Hmm.
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Don't really follow Cadaver's logic so far re: Dogmaus as of post #787. A 180 when presented with 'new' evidence shouldn't be considered suspicious. Not to mention that Cadaver says that voting for Joe today would be considered suspicious, so as far as I can tell Dogmaus would be damned if she did, damned if she didn't.

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ZFR: I just got a very strong feeling of deja vu.

Did we have a game recently where two people were arguing the way godmaus and Cadaver are arguing now?

Or is it true that all time happens simultaneously and I just remembered this very game because quantum?
Hmm, I do vaguely remember Cadaver having similar arguments in past games but I can't remember which or the alignments.

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flubbucket: Do you have anything other than "thought" to add to this scummy accusation?? There is absolutely zero facts in your statement.

I'm not doing any work for you, but you should read my posts before you waste all your town cred making baseless accusations.

Let me ISO your meager 28 posts for anything else.
This is the most aNgErY I've ever seen Flub. He has a point though, Lift normally puts in a bit more effort.

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ZFR: I play solely to win. In fact I hit myself with a brick every day while I play Mafia to ensure I don't have a good time.
I'm picturing you with a brick on your desk next to your keyboard. Whenever you start to smile because Joe said something funny you pick up the brick, shout "Not today!" and smash the fingers on your other hand.

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JoeSapphire: I} it's crossed my mind.
β> Dedo Cadaver and Catte stated that they were unaware of the post. Sus?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's not like it was unprompted. I was answering a question you posed in a conversational manner.
If you'd pointed out the thing without asking if anyone else remembered and then I'd gone "Wow, I for one had no idea about that!" then I'd say it might mean something. :P

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Cadaver747: This game is not fun, I think it'll be my last one.
:(

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I don't know what to make of Cadaver vs Dogmaus. I don't really follow Cadaver's argument but Cadaver's style seems similar to what I remember from previous games so I don't think it's AI. I think it might be town on town, or at least there's nothing specific there that makes me think one (or both???) is mafia.

On Lift vs flub, I sort of see Lift's point in that there was no real reason for Flub to hammer right then when the day had been extended but I'm not sure what would actually have been gained by an additional 24 hours. I've played in plenty of games where an extension was requested only for the extra 24 hours to make no difference whatsoever. I do see what flub is saying about Lift being... lazy? In my mind, Lift is normally one of the more 'ferocious' players.

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dedoporno: Also, Pooka's post says there are going to be 2 scum in setup
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ZFR: Wait, what??!!
I thought this was going to be brutal sarcasm. I didn't really question why you thought Lift was a neutral, but the idea fit with my read of him being off. So maybe he's just scum?

Vote Lift

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Is Dogmaus's vote for Bookworm influenced by ZFR's or a slow crosspost? Whatever the reasons, the facts are that Bookwyrm has just gained two votes suddenly and become "a real wagon".
PSA: We're having my brother and his SO for dinner tonight which is kind of a big deal so I'm going dark and will be AFK for the next few hours.
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my name is supyreor catte: Is Dogmaus's vote for Bookworm influenced by ZFR's or a slow crosspost? Whatever the reasons, the facts are that Bookwyrm has just gained two votes suddenly and become "a real wagon".
in a way yes, my vote on Cadaver was not meant to be permanent at all costs. And I can suspect one or the other.
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dedoporno: PSA: We're having my brother and his SO for dinner tonight which is kind of a big deal so I'm going dark and will be AFK for the next few hours.
Happy eatings!
bump in case catte needs it?
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my name is supyreor catte: But here's the thing, it's to be assumed that the game has been rebalanced for the extra player. If Pooka increased the number of mafia he probably beefed up the town a little, since the game was balanced for 9v2 instead of 9v3.
Or weakened Mafia by removing the Roleblocker. Might explain why Micro was silenced permanently and not just blocked.

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my name is supyreor catte: Whatever the reasons, the facts are that Bookwyrm has just gained two votes suddenly and become "a real wagon".
Yes, I was alarmed at how quickly a wagon got votes in succession this game again. But this time all voting on it are my Town: Joe, Leoric, myself and dogmaus
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Lifthrasil: Did you just reveal the number of your shots?
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JoeSapphire: You'd love to know wouldn't you?
Not really. I'm just wondering about your motive.