Exactly.

This is the reason I believed Joe's claim yesterday. But didn't want to bring it up in case scum missed Micro's macho qualifier.

With the above in mind, scum!Joe's Commuter claim makes no sense. Why prematurely make it? It can be easily counterclaimed if Town has a real Commuter, losing 1 for 1 unnecessarily.

I also think we have 3vs8vsNeutral (as in nonscum Neutral, possible a survivor). And I have an idea who the Neutral might be.

bump

PS going to sleep since have to wake at 5 am tomorrow then hiking, but will be back tomorrow evening.

bump in case I remember something in bed and post from my phone.

I'm reconsidering Joe's claim veracity. I need to sleep over this.

I admit I haven't been watching for neutrals. Who do you think might be neutral?

Well I'd like to say I did, but I had already forgotten.

Well, you get town points for being on that list and town points for keeping the list to yourself to the point of nearly getting lynched.

This scenario is appealing.

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Ok, I think Joe is more likely town than not and I wouldn't consider lunching him today unless some other PR comes out and points the finger.

Not much to add right now, I'll wait for everyone else to turn back up.

I didn't remember it as I missed it in the sign-up but it's not this. Or at least not exactly this.

I don't think ZFR is a Godfather. I also think Joe is what he says he is.

I don't have an opinion on the Neutral, I didn't consider it at any point.

Why?

Did you just reveal the number of your shots? Why? To gain credibility?


Other thought:
flubb made quite an interesting 180° turn from not hammering GH relatively close to the deadline to hammering him with more than a day to go. Townie-panic not to make the same mistake again? Or scum trying to look townie after gleefully letting D1 go to NL?

Just a quick recap maybe more for me than else.

Dead: Micro and GH
probably Town: ZFR (there shouldn't be any Godfather)
3 scum and 1 neutral hiding among

catte
Leoric
flubbucket
Bookwyrm627
dedoporno
Lifthrasil

JoeSapphire
Cadaver747
and dogmaus to be fair, although of course I don't suspect myself.

I'm more inclided to consider Joe and Cadaver Town atm.

To be honest I completely ignored that part from Sign-Up thread since I lost my interest in waiting forever for the game to start without me as an active player, after all I was only a substitute #2 (where the hell is the first one?). But yesterDay when Joe claimed his role I checked it again. I thought that Mafia would surely try to lynch Joe, but I don't know how exactly to analyze his wagon, would Mafia be so stupid to jump on Joe's wagon all together, or instead put a blame on Town for the same. Some accusations were cast to Joe from both groups participants. But I think I have an idea.

I was wondering as to how Mafia NK'ed the cop and had to search MafiaWiki for Macho, so apparently Town Doctor tried to save our cop but any attempt to do so is futile. Fudge! And I was so sure we'll have a well protected Cop.

ZFR's assumption 3vs8vsNeutral is interesting. However I don't think discussing the possibility of Neutral would help us much, yet like I stated before I love the idea of Neutrals in all Mafia games. For me it's most certain there are 3 Mafia instead of 2 like Pooka planned (2 for 11 players / 3 for 12 players).

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/sign_up_now_for_gog_mafia_73/post149
Pooka:
"Fine. I suck at this. Here's my latest role idea (assuming 2 mafioso 9 town). If we go with any setups suggested here, it'll be open unless people want something else

[i]MAFIA
Roleblocker
Goon[/i]

[i]TOWN
Macho Cop
Doctor
1-Shot Commuter
6x Vanilla[/i]

If nothing else, I'll at least prepare the flavor."

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/sign_up_now_for_gog_mafia_73/post151
Pooka: "yes, we are 12 now, which also throws a wrench into the gears for the setup I came up with, but hey, it lets me have 3 mafioso which is more entertaining"

Joe's claim for Town Commuter in case of Mafia has little sense indeed. Yet he claimed that:
Instead of 1-shot Commuter. Does it mean that Pooka added more shots to Commuter role given the 12 players game (11 + 1 more) or that we have a Town lying about his possibilities. I hope that he has quite a lot of shots, that would explain his ridiculous claim on D2 as to *try and catch me Mafia as much as you want* (a Mafia trap), yet his claim is so anti-Town since Mafia will surely search for 1 less person for PR. Given that a few players did already Mafia might suspect already who is our Doctor. Also does it have to be a Town Doctor or Pooka changed his mind in favor or something else? Anyway Joe's claim was NOT good.

I was going to accuse Joe all the way but thanks to Flub's hammer YesterDay and ZFR's post toDay that opportunity is lost forever. Thank you very much, guys!

Not going to vote: Joe (but I don't trust his claim anyway), ZFR (since he is the only proved Town from now dead cop. I don't think I'm ready even to consider the GodFather possibility).

Strong Town vibes: Lift, Dedo (or course they could be Mafia, but I just can't help it but believe in their innocence_.

Book's vote on Joe toDay is worrisome. Flub's hammer YesterDay same (haven't I asked for the Day prolongation???). Dogmaus, Leoric newbie players ready to change their votes and reconsider swiftly, either it's too bad only to be true (puzzled Town) or they play a smart *I am a newbie* Mafia game. Catte's waiting long enough to cast his vote caught my attention as well.

Looking at
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/sign_up_now_for_gog_mafia_73/post149

again, for my convenience as I am a noob:

Mafia:
A Roleblocker chooses one player per Night to block from performing their night action. The target's night action will not be performed -- that is, the Roleblocker blocks the target's role from working.


Goon (that's vanilla members), probably 2 of them, right?



Town:
Macho Cop - that was Micro - RIP
Doctor - prevents a NK, but not themselves. Maybe they were not protecting GH, or maybe they were countered by the Mafia Roleblocker?
1-Shot Commuter - Joe according to own's claim, if so and telling the truth has not used the shot yet

5 vanilla Town left

thump

Votes on Joe are worrysome, but me reconsidering not voting for Joe is bad? How come?