No, that's not the sense.


The sense is "Why would I claim if I'm not certain I was the one who blocked the kill which would in turn mean that ZFR wasn't the one who made it which might mean he's innocent and if I claim and call him out for both of these things and he turns out to be Town I'm outing myself, him and letting the scum know there is yet another PR which is capable of thwarting their agenda".

That's the sense.


It's precisely because I considered there are a bunch of other possibilities I kept quiet back then but kept acting upon it from my own side.

I worked against what I would have done. If I'm Godfather and cleared I'd expect I'm in the clear now and can act freely. That's why I repeated the block. When that didn't happen my own logic wasn't working anymore and the Cop flip came up which meant Godfather or Town. I'd play it differently as Godfather so I decided against it. So Town from then on.

I targeted one of the three players I considered scum on N3. And I thought Catte might be the Doctor, not Flub but that wasn't based on anything other than gut feeling.

Sorry, what? When did I say I thought Flub could be the Town Doctor so I'd go ahead and block him? My whole selection was deliberately trying to avoid people I'm not sure are not the Town Doctor. My choice was to block one of the three players I thought are the scum team. I skipped Wyrm as I thought he may pass the kill on someone else because he's afraid of another prevention or investigation that targets him as he was a good suspect from the Day. So it was between Catte and Flub. It was basically a coin flip and I went with Flub.


OK, discussion is over.


I'm not sure why we are still doing this. Get it over with. If there are 3 scum we lose. If there are 2 maybe the game can still be saved Tomorrow.

Honestly? RB is usually a Mafia role, I didn't think there is a Town RB so I was mostly baiting what I thought might be a newbie Mafia Roleblocker. No one caught the bait. And also trying to see if I can get more info on why I was blocked. So yes, fishing in a way I guess.

Worst case I catch a Town RB in which case... ooops.



Incidentally:

At this stage I got really scared that GH is the RB (I know he softclaimed Vanilla, but this is GH who might think it a good idea to lie to hide his PR).

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And I stand by what I wrote. A Town RB should claim after no NK. Most games have 1 NK-stopper for Town if any. I rarely saw a game with 2, and I'm completely not buying it that this game has 3 (DOctor, Commuter RB) and a 4th one for the Neutral.

Most games have at most 1 NK-stopper. If no NK happened and youcan stop an NK, then you probably did.

I mistook Flub and Catte names. I meant to say why did you think that Catte if he is your Mafia suspect could be a Town Doctor more likely than Flub?

It's 2:42 AM at my place and I've extremely sleepy.

No good reason. I had to choose one of the two and Catte has been DR Catte in the past so I chose Flub. That's it.

Oh, and part of me hoped that it would dissuade the Blocker from blocking me again. "Would PR!ZFR ask for blocker to come out if he knew he was blocked? Probably not. Ergo, he's probably Vanilla, won't block again." Obviously that didn't work either (which made ascetic Neutral Lift a possibility too).

D1 - NL

Possibilities: are limitless
Decision: let's block ZFR because why not, actually let's save him from any danger since I'm a Jailer not a Roleblocker

N1 - Dedo blocks ZFR
N1 - No NK

Possibilities:
1. Mafia didn't do the NK (technical reasons, out of good heart),
2. ZFR is Mafia who tried to implement the NK, my block saved the day
3. it was avoided by a random shot from a Town Doctor,
4. another Mafia player (not ZFR) failed the NK on Bulletproof,
5. on active Commuter or
6. on any other *evasive role*
Decision: ZFR is Mafia because of N1 results, let's block him again.

D2 - Micro claimed Cop and ZFR among Town
D2 - GH lynched

Possibilities:
1. ZFR is Town,
2. ZFR is Mafia Godfather,
3. Micro was Redirected by Mafia,
4. Micro is a lying Mafia (there is no Town Cop),
5. Micro is a lying Mafia (there is a Town Cop who keeps his/her mouth shut)
Decision: ZFR is Godfather, let's block him anyway.

N2 - Dedo blocks ZFR
N2 - Micro NKed

Possibilities:
1. ZFR is Town, I blocked the wrong guy
2. ZFR is Mafia Godfather, I blocked his NK attempt on N1 but another Mafia player performed NK on N2
Decision: ZFR is Town, let's try not block the Doctor (let's see that might be)

D3 - Lift lynched

Possibilities: are limitless minus dead players
Decision: ZFR is Town, let's try not block the Doctor (let's see that might be), hmm Catte and Flub are on my scum list, let's block Flub because Catte could be a Doctor more likely than Flub.

N3 - Dedo blocks Flub
N3 - Book NKed

Please correct me if I did some mistakes again.

Going to bed now.

OK, I missed this post, hence the misunderstanding.

I take back the "you're being obtuse on purpose", but everything else I wrote stands.

EBWOP:

N2 - Dedo blocks ZFR
N2 - Micro NKed

Possibilities:
1. ZFR is Town, I blocked the wrong guy
2. ZFR is Mafia Godfather, I blocked his NK attempt on N1 but another Mafia player performed NK on N2
3. ZFR is Mafia Godfather, he had nothing to do with NK attempt on N1 and N2 <NEW>
Decision: ZFR is Town, let's try not to block the Doctor (let's see who that might be)

D3 - Lift lynched

Possibilities: are limitless minus dead players
Decision: ZFR is Town, let's try not to block the Doctor (let's see who that might be), hmm Catte and Flub are on my scum list, let's block Flub because Catte could be a Doctor more likely than Flub.

N3 - Dedo blocks Flub
N3 - Book NKed

Please correct me if I did some mistakes again.

Yes, *might be* of course, that's exactly what I meant. Semantics is very important, I agree.
Thank you, I think I get your way of perceiving things. The problem is it's still not enough for me to decided whether on you're Mafia (or even a Neutral) or Town. I will not bother you again, unless you provide some more interesting insights.

I want to hear more from Leoric and Dogmaus.

Sorry, you are going to wait for what exactly? For us to tell you that No Voting is correct in your case?

I'd just like to post this quote (emphasis mine):

I have thoughts, but I'd like to see what, if anything you have to say first?

@Dedoprono
I just noticed the difference between D2 and D3, the cop's dead confirmed his claim. But block ZFR could tell you what? Were you going to block ZFR until fish was cleared?
Don't you think the "ZFR is godfather" and "The cop and ZFR both scum" possibility was very low in D2?

@Cadaver @ZFR
I'm happy I didn't rush to vote according to my unreliable read. It turns out dedo did suspected ZFR and his action make some sense to me.
I just upset you people voted too fast last day, and I don't want to start some "wagon" to let scums easily jump on.What if we pushed Bookwyrm until he claimed? Could the scenario be different?
I'm not blaming you people, I know the scenario could be even worse. God only know.
I just want to say don't be so hurry. Just like you @Cadaver, haven't vote right now.

@Cadaver
You can get nothing but my sincerity. I'm sadly a vanilla town.

"We" means me and my personas :P

Why you keep focusing on newbie? In my point of view, it's more likely to get a reasonable reaction to Dedo's claim from an experienced player.

Well if you think a newbie scum is more likely to make mistake in their posts...I think you're right! I'll post more so you people have more things to work with.

I'm still waiting and trying to read more. There's still 4 days to go. And I just read a dedo's post said if we make a mistake this round and there are 3 scums, we'll loose!

He said ZFR/Joe are scum. And I suspected Bookwyrm from D1 and I mentioned a lot in my posts. There are even absurd reasons that ZFR pointed out. I think bookwyrm made very little effort to clear himself (and if that was IRL stuff I completely understand) but somehow we just go with Lift yesterday.
Yes...please tell me more? ;)

Agreed. A town RB should claim after no NK Day One.