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Posted October 17, 2020
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blotunga: Just arrived, but have trouble with kids, wife sick etc. I need to read again some of the shit today but from what I saw Trent claimed, I think it's plausible, also I really don't like GH's style with pressing claims, it's anti-town. Now we might loose trent even if we don't lynch him because he probably will be NKed.
That's IF he's town.

Also I have been pushing for us to get wagons going early enough so that we can change course while we have time, if need be.....it sucks if Trent is town and I somewhat helped to out him, but that's how it is: we build wagons, people claim, we make a choice.

Sooner or later someone was going to feel the need to claim, and be outed if/when they did so.....that's how the game works.

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blotunga: That being said:

vote GymHenson
Are you voting/suspecting me more because I did something you dislike and/or view as anti-town, or because you honestly suspect me?

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blotunga: I feel like trent's reaction is quite natural at being forced to claim, anger and disappointment, I felt that too when people tried to lynch me and I knew I could be a lot more helpful alive.
But would a player so against claims in general(or so it seemed by what I read in his posts) be so quick to claim?

What are your thoughts on this?
Posted October 17, 2020
I'll be waiting to see if anyone counter-claims the role or has something that disproves the claim.
Posted October 17, 2020
@GH You feel uncomfortably pushy in this game. If nobody counterclaims, there is a chance of trent not lying. Maybe he was afraid of a quickhammer, not sure why he hurried. If I felt the spotlight I might also try and claim (and with so many players L-3 can turn quickly into a lynch) regardless of alignment.

Anyway something rubs me wrong about your play this time.
Posted October 17, 2020
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dedoporno: Seriously? You have been pushing for a claim for the past few days, you keep nagging about how we dicked around whole game last and had rushed lynches because people didn't have time to react and consider other options and when you get what you want in the way you want it you don't buy it? Wow.
It's because of WHO did it that bothers me....Trent has been quite vocal about his dislike of claims AND giving scum too much info(via claims and such) in this game(and I think a few others as well)....and then he claims at L-3 and just does a full claim?

Either he is a frustrated town(it is possible) or a scum trying a clever ploy.....it's more likely trent is town, imo, but there's a chance he could be scum.

So now i'm faced with: Should I stick with my gut and keep my vote on Trent, or change course as well. And what if I change course and it turns out Trent was scum?
Posted October 17, 2020
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dedoporno: You know what? I'd like your opinion as you're the one who has been pushing for a claim from the get-go. There's the claim. Go.
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GymHenson: I find it odd that Trent, who seems to be against such claims in general, would claim at L-3.....as before he seemed to not be a big fan(to put it lightly) of my "get someone to claim range early enough" plan(and also iirc he isn't a big fan of such claiming in general)....and now he jumps on board with a claim so quickly?

I don't buy it....so my vote stays where it is.

(everyone else is free to change if they so choose, though, or weigh in on the claim..etc)

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(Bump needed)
So you’re saying if I had waited until there was only a short bit of time left you would believe my claim but don’t believe it because I claimed early so we could figure this out and move on to actually finding scum. You obviously just want my lynch and don’t care about Town’s interests.
Posted October 17, 2020
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GymHenson: It's because of WHO did it that bothers me....Trent has been quite vocal about his dislike of claims AND giving scum too much info(via claims and such) in this game(and I think a few others as well)....and then he claims at L-3 and just does a full claim?
Hunter said he would put Trent at L-2 before going to sleep in couple of hours. Anyway, it was quite obvious where this was headed so I'm pretty sure he would have claimed eventually anyway.

His claim maybe bogus, obviously but I'll personally wait for a counter-claim before jumping to conclusions.

You, on the other hand straight up crossed it out. It bothers me how you take the exact thing you wanted as the sole reason to continue pushing the wagon. I'm pretty sure I picked something up from you earlier which makes me think you're Town but if I didn't this whole bit wouldn't have been a good look for you at all.
Posted October 17, 2020
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blotunga: @GH You feel uncomfortably pushy in this game.
Fwiw, I overcompensate a lot in general....I was laid back and didn't try as much in prior games, and of late I have shifted to the other gear and am trying a lot more to help my team win.

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blotunga: If nobody counterclaims, there is a chance of trent not lying. Maybe he was afraid of a quickhammer, not sure why he hurried.
That is what makes me curious....as in why didn't he hesitate at all(given his dislike of claims)?

Or why didn't he maybe make a more vague claim to better protect his role?

Maybe he's town and feeling a bit frustrated due to my pushing and other factors? I suppose it is possible.
(And if that's the case then I am sorry, Trent)

Btw there was less need to fear him being quickhammered while I was online....if anyone had kept voting I likely would've dropped my vote to give him more time to decide how to respond to the wagon(if he wanted such).

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blotunga: Anyway something rubs me wrong about your play this time.
Yeah, but something rubs someone wrong about my play near every time. o.0
(Of course take that fwiw, as always)

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trentonlf: So you’re saying if I had waited until there was only a short bit of time left you would believe my claim but don’t believe it because I claimed early so we could figure this out and move on to actually finding scum.
But you were the one who was saying/inferring earlier that you dislike such claiming, were you not?

So when you just did a full claim within a short time like that I found it to be a bit odd, to say the least, and it gave me pause....from some others the timing of the claim likely wouldn't have seemed as odd.

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trentonlf: You obviously just want my lynch and don’t care about Town’s interests.
Only if you're scum, then yes...yes I do want your lynch.
Posted October 17, 2020
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trentonlf: as I don't see scum letting me live.
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blotunga: because he probably will be NKed.
Why do you think so?
In a semi-open role madness where scum can fire blindly and still hit a role, trent's role doesn't strike me particularly as a priority to scum. Given the roles Lift posted, I can see ones they'd find much more important to go after.

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"Now we might loose trent even if we don't lynch him because he probably will be NKed."
Blotunga, the above strikes me like you're sure trent's not lying.
Posted October 17, 2020
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dedoporno: His claim maybe bogus, obviously but I'll personally wait for a counter-claim before jumping to conclusions.
In the meantime, what should we do, do you think? Build another wagon? Something else?

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dedoporno: You, on the other hand straight up crossed it out.
You mean the possibility of Trent being town? I didn't cross it out.....to me it is still a possibility.

In fact his claim gave me some pause...like what if he's town.....but his disliking of claiming and him then claiming and going along with my plan so readily still wants me to keep my vote where it is.

Know how I said before some players have seeming set responses to some actions/posts? Well i've noted some of trent's, and his quick claim seems(to me) to set off a few alarm bells.

Am I wrong? Who knows.

(Yeah, I commented that I think others take this game a bit seriously, but I admit: I agonize over my choices in this game a bit much sometimes as well)
Posted October 17, 2020
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GymHenson: Replied to Blotunga and Trent:
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Fwiw, I overcompensate a lot in general....I was laid back and didn't try as much in prior games, and of late I have shifted to the other gear and am trying a lot more to help my team win.

That is what makes me curious....as in why didn't he hesitate at all(given his dislike of claims)?

Or why didn't he maybe make a more vague claim to better protect his role?

Maybe he's town and feeling a bit frustrated due to my pushing and other factors? I suppose it is possible.
(And if that's the case then I am sorry, Trent)

Btw there was less need to fear him being quickhammered while I was online....if anyone had kept voting I likely would've dropped my vote to give him more time to decide how to respond to the wagon(if he wanted such).

Yeah, but something rubs someone wrong about my play near every time. o.0
(Of course take that fwiw, as always)

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But you were the one who was saying/inferring earlier that you dislike such claiming, were you not?

So when you just did a full claim within a short time like that I found it to be a bit odd, to say the least, and it gave me pause....from some others the timing of the claim likely wouldn't have seemed as odd.

Only if you're scum, then yes...yes I do want your lynch.
I have never once said I dislike claims. I dislike role discussion on Day 1 and even on Day 2, it's pointless and just gives scum potential targets. If someone is going to be lynched they need to claim (and I felt I was going to be the lynch)

Why on earth would I make a vague claim, "Hey guys don't lynch me I have this super awesome role that can help Town and you'll regret lynching me if you do". That is something scum would do.

I saw the inevitable coming and I don't doubt for a minute that two more people were going to vote me and put me at L-1 and I want us to have as much time as we can to discuss me and moving on to actually finding scum. Me waiting until Later today or tomorrow hurts us more than helps us.
Posted October 17, 2020
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Vitek: Can people sum up why the suspect trent?
I'm glad I'm not the only one wondering.

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trentonlf: P.S. YOU ALL SUCK
I had no part in this! I suck for completely different reasons.


I dunno how to feel about this. Trent's claim seems premature and if he was really concerned about staying in the game and getting to use his power he shouldn't have volunteered it so easily. If he's scum, it'd be a pretty bold false claim at this point.
Posted October 17, 2020
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trentonlf: I have never once said I dislike claims. I dislike role discussion on Day 1 and even on Day 2, it's pointless and just gives scum potential targets. If someone is going to be lynched they need to claim (and I felt I was going to be the lynch)
It seems I even conflated and/or mixed up your stances as you being against claims....either that or someone else said it to me and I failed to note down who said it.

That said, didn't you say in past games you dislike some kinds of claiming?
(I ask as I somewhat forget your stance on such in the past on this atm)

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trentonlf: Why on earth would I make a vague claim, "Hey guys don't lynch me I have this super awesome role that can help Town and you'll regret lynching me if you do". That is something scum would do.
You could've also just said you're town and refused to answer more.....I believe some vets suggested that as a viable tactic in the past.....and it'd be to hide the exact PR one had, I assume, if one felt a full claim would be more of a harm to town than a help(If I got what was told to me in the past correct in my mind).

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trentonlf: I saw the inevitable coming and I don't doubt for a minute that two more people were going to vote me and put me at L-1 and I want us to have as much time as we can to discuss me and moving on to actually finding scum. Me waiting until Later today or tomorrow hurts us more than helps us.
Good points.

Unvote Trent

(Gods I hope yer not scum, else i'll be kicking myself for this at the end of the game)

Now the same question I asked others: Now what do we do? I'd like your input on this, if you could oblige.
Posted October 17, 2020
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blotunga: Just arrived, but have trouble with kids, wife sick etc.
PPS Hope she gets well.
Posted October 17, 2020
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blotunga: Just arrived, but have trouble with kids, wife sick etc.
Missed this when reading fast before....I also hope yers will feel better soon, and everything will be right as rain soon enough.
Posted October 17, 2020
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blotunga: Just arrived, but have trouble with kids, wife sick etc.
Sorry I missed this too. I hope your wife gets to feeling better! Sick wife and trouble with the kids, I don't miss those days (My kids are grown up and out of the house now)
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