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GymHenson: Think of my style of loaving, and look for any obviously odd posts over the past 10 posts or so.
You realise Eng has already claimed right? Not only that but their role (if not alignment) is pretty much confirmed. So obviously you can't mean Eng. Which other breadcrumbs could you mean?

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ZFR: 1183 was an answer to why didn't I investigate flub if I thought he was a lyncher. I never said it's a waste of time.
Well in that case you were answering a different question from that asked, because what I asked in 1181 was "why didn't you have another crack at investigating flub?"

So taken in that context your answer certainly comes across as you thinking it was a waste of time, and this is backed up by the fact that you didn't investigate flub on N2.

So again, why the change of heart?
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my name is vaughlte catte: You realise Eng has already claimed right? Not only that but their role (if not alignment) is pretty much confirmed. So obviously you can't mean Eng. Which other breadcrumbs could you mean?
Maybe they have two roles? Is that a thing?

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To all: Is that a thing?

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If not then I dunno....maybe they are the medic and maybe there is another player as the gender bender?
(Who is not countering for some reason...I know, my ideas are sometimes dumb)

I am just jumping at shadows hoping i'll find something.....also we have bagged two scums, so I am eager to see if we can win this one.

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Sidenote: I find it interesting, if the idea of mine is so far fetched, that ZFR seemed to not want to answer while you did.
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my name is vaughlte catte: So taken in that context your answer certainly comes across as you thinking it was a waste of time, and this is backed up by the fact that you didn't investigate flub on N2.

So again, why the change of heart?
No, I didn't think investigating flub was a "waste of time" any more than investigating anyone else.

On N1 flub/trent was the only pair that stood out. Everyone else was equal.
On N2 no one stood out, with everyone being equal, I investigated Joe.
On N3 no one stood out, with everyone being equal, I investigated flub.

There is no "change of heart" between N2 and N3, and no particular reason for investigating flub aside for him/Hunter/Koro being the only 3 without claim, and of those I chose flub.
I received permission. I win when the town is safe from any kind of danger. I guess that makes me practically town. Of course, I still can't prove that in any way.

Since I am a brahmin, I should have the "brahmin kick" day action :)
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ZFR: On N1 flub/trent was the only pair that stood out. Everyone else was equal.
Aside: With how I am usually suspected in these games, I find it interesting(just interesting, not suspicious) you didn't investigate me early on.

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Engerek01: I received permission. I win when the town is safe from any kind of danger. I guess that makes me practically town. Of course, I still can't prove that in any way.

Since I am a brahmin, I should have the "brahmin kick" day action :)
Is that barhmin kick some game reference/joke, or something serious? :)
(I assume it's the former/first thing I said)
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ZFR: No, I didn't think investigating flub was a "waste of time" any more than investigating anyone else.

On N1 flub/trent was the only pair that stood out. Everyone else was equal.
On N2 no one stood out, with everyone being equal, I investigated Joe.
On N3 no one stood out, with everyone being equal, I investigated flub.

There is no "change of heart" between N2 and N3, and no particular reason for investigating flub aside for him/Hunter/Koro being the only 3 without claim, and of those I chose flub.
Ok. I guess it's just interesting that you circled back to flub. If flub was as good as any last night, why not the night before? I find it strange that you were on my back about investigating korotan but have no really good explanation for your own actions.
Not only that, but you effectively just ranked flub and koro of equal importance in your own decision making despite finding fault with my choice of korotan over flub. Town or scum, you are being pretty inconsistent here.



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Engerek01: I received permission. I win when the town is safe from any kind of danger. I guess that makes me practically town. Of course, I still can't prove that in any way.

Since I am a brahmin, I should have the "brahmin kick" day action :)
Hold on! Your PM should explicitly state that you're town so I'm not sure where the "practically town" thing is coming from. You make it sound like your win condition is the only thing that indicates to you that you're town. Is it because your PM doesn't actually state you're town?
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my name is vaughlte catte: I find it strange that you were on my back about investigating korotan but have no really good explanation for your own actions.
There is Cop investigation and FBI investigation. The former you investigate people you find most scummy and there is almost always someone whom you think to be more scummy than other. The latter investigates, Lynchers and Lynchees and here it's more difficult to find someone who stands out.
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GymHenson: Is that barhmin kick some game reference/joke, or something serious? :)
(I assume it's the former/first thing I said)
It is a joke. Brahmins are like cows. Cows kick. :)

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my name is vaughlte catte: ...
Hold on! Your PM should explicitly state that you're town so I'm not sure where the "practically town" thing is coming from. You make it sound like your win condition is the only thing that indicates to you that you're town. Is it because your PM doesn't actually state you're town?
It does clearly state that I am town. I tried to paraphrase it as they are my own words and not something I've read in my inbox. Maybe too much.
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my name is vaughlte catte: I find it strange that you were on my back about investigating korotan but have no really good explanation for your own actions.
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ZFR: There is Cop investigation and FBI investigation. The former you investigate people you find most scummy and there is almost always someone whom you think to be more scummy than other. The latter investigates, Lynchers and Lynchees and here it's more difficult to find someone who stands out.
Right, but that doesn't mean you just pull names out of a hat. There has to have been something that made you think Flub was worth a second look on N3 that either didn't exist on N2 or was outranked by whatever made you investigate Joe.
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my name is vaughlte catte: Right, but that doesn't mean you just pull names out of a hat. There has to have been something that made you think Flub was worth a second look on N3 that either didn't exist on N2 or was outranked by whatever made you investigate Joe.
Gut feeling? Really nothing much.
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Engerek01: It is a joke. Brahmins are like cows. Cows kick. :)
Cool beans (i.e. sounds cool)

BTW a nitpick....brahmin ARE mutated cows afaik....so they ARE cows. :)
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ZFR: Gut feeling? Really nothing much.
Well I guess we just wait for the rest to come online. Korotan will be able to confirm I was trying to investigate him and hopefully the medic will see the sense in claiming.
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my name is vaughlte catte: Speaking of which, what were yours?
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ZFR: Investigate flub. He's neither killer nor target.
What do you mean exactly by target??
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GymHenson: BTW: What was your message to Joe, if I may ask?
This is a paraphrase as I know quoting PMs directly gets a little dicey rule wise:

[i]I am hiding behind flubb tonight. if flub is killed and flips town I will state that I hid behind korotan.
If you haven't chosen a watch target yet, it would be great if you could follow me. Maybe we could have a repeat of dedo[/i]

again words changed for paraphrase but the point stands: I hid behind flub, if flub died and flipped town I would claim to hid behind koro.

My reason behind this:

I was iffy on joes tracker claim. as long as he knew how the courier role worked, he could have made up seeing both you and trent visiting ZFR. I was going on a hunch that flub and joe were remaining scum. If I drop the tip to joe:

1. Flub is town and joe NKs me or flub: then we have a third night of my hide target getting killed. I would probably be lynched, but once I flip town then maybe everyone would believe that scum had some obsession with following me around. Also I would have stated that I hid behind korotan, and maybe the scum would slip and call me out with more authority than they should have any right to.

2. Anyone else gets NK: then my plan kind of fizzles out and we basically move on to looking into those who connect to whoever received the NK.

3. Korotan gets NK: Had this happened, I would be gunning for a Joe lynch right out the gate D4. I picked korotan as a bluff hide target because them being NK out of the blue would be strange as they have had so little involvement in the game, and if joe was scum he may have taken out koro and lied about the contents of my message. This scenario would have also backed up my belief of flub being scum as well, as otherwise Joe would have just let flub die as another victim of my "murderous" hiding.

Now with joe dead and town, I realize my plan kind of folds. I probably should have guessed that joes time in the game was limited after handing us a scum lynch, but the way that whole event played out just seemed too convenient. The way dedo just gave up smelled too much of a mutually agreed scum bus.
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GymHenson: ...
Lastly, how is buck cleared due to dedo flipping sniper? Are you saying he's confirmed town by that? If that is what you meant....then how has he been locked town by that?
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Look at point number 3 from post 1278
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Hunter65536: Joe saw Buck and Dedo visit blotunga, why would 2 scum visit same target?
That makes him cleared in my view from scum team since dedo flipped sniper