I am actually town, it's just not an alignment locked role (I'm guessing it's for balance reasons, because I'm a self-confirming role it would be too powerful if crazy inventors were guaranteed town). It's not like courier is a guaranteed town role either, probably for the same reasons. It's fairly easy to prove you are a courier so if that role was guaranteed town then you could self confirm your alignment.
Self-confirming roles can be gamebreaking in a semi-open setup, particularly if it's role-madness.

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Makes sense.

That said, I am up for making Buck the lynch candidate/wagon for today(d3). Why?

He "conveniently" hid behind both NKs.

He had Trent as a suspect, but didn't join the Trent Lynch wagon on D2, even when the Trent wagon was way ahead of the Blotunga one.

He more or less "outed" you(might be indicative of a "not thinking town", but to me it seems more scummy).

If on the rare chance he is town, we don't lose a useful PR(currently on the chance he is town, his role was effectively nerfed after he claimed).

His claim isn't verified, so he isn't verified town.

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So what do you think? You amicable to that idea or no?

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(Same question above goes out to everyone else, btw)

Obviously...


I reeeeeeeeeeeeally don't like the "coincidence" of hiding behind the Night Kill victim BOTH nights.


Vote: bucktoothgamer

Catte, what did you do N1? What was that about me and Joe?

I"m FBI profiler. I target a player to know they if they are a killer third party like SK, Lyncher... or one of their targets (Lynchee). If it's the latter I can jail them for one turn for their protection.

On N1, the way people were going after trent I investigated him since I thought someone might have had a particular reason to go for him, most notably flub whom I suspcted of being a lyncher. Got infected. No result.

(Incidentally, I don't think Lift should have informed the targeted player that they were infected. Just have them fail results.
It seems Lift is unnecessarily doing it to many roles in his games, like bucktooth/catte today. Unless they're Loud, targets shouldn't know they've been targeted).

Today I investigated Joe on the off chance he's a third party killer. He isn't. Joe is neither a killer third party nor a target. Meaning he's Mafia or Town.

To these 3 points:

1. D2 went by QUICK. I made my long post about why I though the blot/flubb scum pair was viable, then by the time I checked the game again catte had already delivered the hammer. Sure, I could have jumped on the Trent wagon earlier, but again blot was REALLY defensive out the gate on day 2 which I figured made him a viable vote.

2. Even if I had read the role list beforehand , the only one that mentions harmless explosions was under the any/neutral category. I figured that letting the rest of the group know "hey, this person's blowing things up next to us in our sleep" might have been better for the good of the group than keeping quiet. Maybe keeping quiet on such things is an unspoken mafia rule, but if so I haven't been playing long enough to learn that.

3. If my PR role was nerfed after I claimed, why do they keep giving me opportunity to use it? The reason I claimed after n1 in the first place was that I figured letting the group know that we had 2 potential targets of a scum attack may have given us more insight on who to lynch.

If I am going to be a potential lynch candidate, I might as well try and help the town by trying to start a wagon on some scum so:

Vote joesapphire

Why did he make an attempt to walk back the Trent wagon after the hammer?

How could he know that ZFR had a power role if ZFR never brought it up? Someone can't correct me on that if I missed ZFR claiming in d1 or d2.

yeah it is looking a little like this game is imbalanced in town's favour, but we did do well to force mafia to claim first day and then catch them in the consequential lie.


PERHAPS something like a power-embargo should be considered? Just to give the mafia a bit of a sporting chance towards the end of the game?

What do you reckon dedo? having had a similar experience in the last game where town were confirmed by their powers and the net closed in

IF you were scum this game and got caught, say, shooting blotunga in the head for example OR WHATEVER, would you approve of the town deliberately going easy on the rest of your team? Or do you think they should pull out all the stops and aim for the high score?




here's my yesterday's list of the players and what I think about them,

perhaps mafia
2. Catte - ???
9. Hunter65536 - ????
10. dedoporno - first vote on trent, but jokey vote, and also first to remove it. maybe scum??
3. Engerek01 - good honest townie vibes, but could I be being deceived??
14. Korotan - claims he can't lie and I'm inclined to believe him

probs town
7. ZFR - infected by trent. Very difficult to believe not town.
12. flubbucket 5th vote on trent. got to be town.
8. bucktoothgamer claims coward, voted trent.
B. GH voted for trent. pretty certainly town.
4. blotunga - didn't know trent didn't get the letter that night. would have done if mafia.

All this talk about JoeSapphire makes me really suspicious. The latest I could remember whas the way he said goodbuy to him felt very off. Sadly I had not slept last night so Instead I will say, I will earliest be back tomorrow evening, mayby the day after tomorrow if my sleep deprivation has been taken care of.

Yes. blotunga is very probsy.

I wrote it yesterday :p

because I am brilliant

If buck is Town

_ I don't see Mafia targeting him N1. He's new. Vitek looked like a much better target.
_ I definitely don't see Mafia targeting him N2. Not when he can hide behind a Mafioso and turn it into a self-kill.

If buck is scum
_ Why draw attention to having hidden behind the target. he could have chosen any member to hide behind.
Counterpoint: He did it to "prove" he's Hider. He got the safe claim Hider and wants to make use of it.

Interesting he's pushing for Joe, but I got to as:

@Joe, why did you draw the meme with me having a PR when I never claimed I did, except to trent?

I don't think a power embargo should be considered, I just think mods should consider the fact that by announcing the role to the person affected they add investigational and/or confirming side-effects. And balance accordingly.

Take me for example, I know I was infected and I announced it. With trent's flip we have a confirmed Infector.

This helps confirm me as Town (or rather non-Mafia). Since no one else claimed to be Infected, my claim must be true. The only way I'm not non-Mafia is if trent purposely withheld using his power in order to "clear" me. This would require superWIFOM from Mafia's side: they're essentially giving up one of their strongest weapons - permablock.

But everyone of course do your own research. Don't take my word for it.

If Lift hadn't informed me I was infected and simply made my result Fail, I'd have assumed it could come up for any reason. Like a Jailer. And wouldn't have announced it and wouldn't have been cleared.


That's what I thought too. The way I've written it, I all but claimed a role. I could have had a passive role (is that influenced by Infected), but there isn't really one in the list. So your assumption isn't really far fetched. Interesting that buck brings it up though. I can see Mafia!buck think they found a slip they can lynch for.

vote bucktooth

what about him being second on trentonlf's wagon day one?
and nothing on his wagon day two?

that's a townie look from where I'm sitting

Why?

if he's willing to bus trent on day one for no reason, why doesn't he bus trent day two when he's actually going down?

looks to me like he believed trent's claim, and thought blotunga was mafia