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I was evaluating the mass claim idea, not realizing that Cristi already claimed Cop. In which case, what do we have to lose, other than Cristi? Let's all claim while we still have time.

Also, hi Joppo. I was disappointed I got to live, until I realized you're playing with us, so that's cool.
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supplementscene: Why would you claim and not out your investigations??
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cristigale: Really? Are you serious?
OK I think I get it now. You want 3 Town Reg claims so you can narrow down who isn't Town Reg

I hope you've managed to find a scum or 2
Hi Joppo. Nice to see you here.

Much as Scenes and Laser’s input is appreciated, both of their claims are of little value by themselves. Right now it has come down to counting with fingers. Can we?

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Pookina: I was evaluating the mass claim idea, not realizing that Cristi already claimed Cop. In which case, what do we have to lose, other than Cristi? Let's all claim while we still have time.

Also, hi Joppo. I was disappointed I got to live, until I realized you're playing with us, so that's cool.
Why disappointed? You were bored with the game?


Also, anyone who cares about summarizing the game so far for Joppo? People, leave him some breathing space, it is a lot to catch up with.

My take: On D-1 Laser fake vigged Scenes. Scenes said he had just killed a vanilla. Laser said he believed him. Scenes said he believed Laser to be town. Many said Laser’s behaviour was anti-town, and several voted for him. Cristigale believed both (IIRC) and disliked the ones who had voted for her Lazy, although, she put a placeholder vote on GR. Micro got a lazy lynch that nobody cared to even analyze (that was ugly, people).

On D-2, SPF continued his pursuit of Laser. lots of drama as Pooka claimed vig. He thought that he could shot Laser and Scenes could be lynched in the same game-day, thus ending the discussion that was going in circles, and moving on. However, the rules did not allow that. Then he threatened Laser, Scenes, Lift, GR. In the end he was swayed to shot Lift. Lift went down like a soldier. A vanilla town one. Laser suggested a mass claim when the end of D-2 was near, but retracted soon.

On D-3, Cristine has claimed to be the cop, but has not offered any reveals so far.

So that should summarize most of the drama going on in the last game-days. As per my personal take until the end of D-2, you can find comments there (I was there to the very end), plus a list published on D-2 with a view on the line of play for each participant in this game so far. Do not hesitate to make open questions so that people can offer you their thoughts.

Welcome to the game.
Just got up...here are all my old replies from D2...I ask for some time to catch up(will read any replies to this when I get back to this point in the game) from everyone, if that is ok. That said, my old replies:
(All was written before start of D3)
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(Replied to Lift/Cristi/SPF)
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Lifthrasil: I really don't understand your reasoning. You read Laser as scummy. Scummy enough that you want him to be a lynch. But you want to shoot me instead. ... Why? Just so that you can feel that you made a difference? Was it too boring to shoot someone who would have been lynched anyhow? You even forced GR to back down from voting Laser using your power as a threat. ... That is very bad play. But you do you. Scum will thank you for it.
They might've done it to save laser for D3's lynch while trying to hit another player they suspected with their shot, in case scum take/took them out during the night phase.

@Pook(in)a: If I may ask/verify, was that your reason for getting me to back off voting laser and switching targets?
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cristigale: So intermittently absent is your definition of lurker. By that definition, you also lurked day one. Seems hypocritical.
Maybe, but note that no one suspects themselves during such games......they usually look for scum within the rest of the player pool.
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SirPrimalform: It would also aid the mafia PoE.
I am guessing that means it would help them find the PRs easier, correct?

If so, then imo yes...it likely would.
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(Done up till end of D2 in terms of posts)
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SirPrimalform: It would also aid the mafia PoE.
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GameRager: I am guessing that means it would help them find the PRs easier, correct?

If so, then imo yes...it likely would.
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(Done up till end of D2 in terms of posts)
Do you realise we're 1 misslynch away from a town loss?

Chrisit has revealed cop, which means everyone now has to reveal to give Town info, unless they're mafia trying to hide roles. The doctor can protect Christi tonight, which means we get another read tonight.

Please role reveal faster

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Carradice: Hi Joppo. Nice to see you here.

Much as Scenes and Laser’s input is appreciated, both of their claims are of little value by themselves. Right now it has come down to counting with fingers. Can we?
Can you role reveal faster please. Mafia will likely take longer revealing because they have to concoct a lie.
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supplementscene: The doctor can protect Christi tonight, which means we get another read tonight.
That is essentially false.

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supplementscene: Please role reveal faster
Think. You are trying to make it simple, when it is not simple by any measure. Cristine has said it clear. She is waiting for everyone to check in. So, think.
Post edited May 27, 2020 by Carradice
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Carradice: Why disappointed? You were bored with the game?
No. I just thought my death was inevitable, so was looking forward to discussing the game with Joppo. I didn't join him in the observer, but he's here.

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GameRager: @Pook(in)a: If I may ask/verify, was that your reason for getting me to back off voting laser and switching targets?
I didn't want a quick lynch to happen and end the day earlier, or else it was going to be all for naught.
Just forgot about the 10 minute rule in the forum. Mea culpa.



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GameRager: @Pook(in)a: If I may ask/verify, was that your reason for getting me to back off voting laser and switching targets?
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Pookina: I didn't want a quick lynch to happen and end the day earlier, or else it was going to be all for naught.
No quick lynch at all, it seems.
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supplementscene: The doctor can protect Christi tonight, which means we get another read tonight.
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Carradice: That is essentially false.

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supplementscene: Please role reveal faster
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Carradice: Think. You are trying to make it simple, when it is not simple by any measure. Cristine has said it clear. She is waiting for everyone to check in. So, think.
Why do you need Christi's reads before you claim? You're smelling incredibly scummy not claiming btw

Why do you not want Town to have the info of our claims?

If Christi knows certain players roles, it will OUT those players who claim otherwise.

Claim now or get lynched
Replied to Joe/Laser/Joppo/Laser/Cristi/SPF/Scene
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JoeSapphire: Cadaver747 is eliminated, he was Town Regular

It is now the Third Elimination Phase
Another town down, but at least they were vanilla/regular....that said: I will miss them...their encouraging of me made me want to try just that much harder to win the game/play better, and I loved the majority of their posts here.
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LASER97: Anyone not in favor of mass claiming?
In general if it were like D1 or D2 in most games i'd say no....as I feel it has a high chance to break(or make un fun) a game. In this game, however, it is D3 and we are down several town....so maybe i'd be up for such.
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joppo: One word about Lonzi. It's a pity she had to back down, I was looking forward to see her enjoy the games we play here and join us regularly. Hopefully she will anyway.
I hope so as well....also welcome to the game.....will look forward to reading your reads and puzzling them out when you post them.
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LASER97: We're in MyLo. Joppo went online and offline twice after I demanded him to claim. He's afraid.
Maybe, or maybe(as they said iirc) they are/were still reading(when you made this post). We likely have several IRL days to mull this over...why are you in such a hurry, if I may ask?

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LASER97: It's MyLo. We have 3/3 town power roles alive, and 2/2 vanilla townies claimed. What more is there to discuss?

Claim immediately.
And SPF as well? Again, why are you in such a hurry? Got a(n IRL) business meeting you need to get to in a few days?
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cristigale: Woot! I survived the night. We are in MYLO, time to do this:
I hard claim Town Cop. I am not sharing more right now.

For heaven’s sake, don’t throw around your vote today. Scum can quick hammer with 2 town votes.
1st bit: Well then if you're cop, what were your investigation results(for your PR)?

(I am guessing/assuming we could win the game easily if you told us the results of your investigations)

(Of course if anyone more skilled in mafia games knows a reason why she shouldn't drop those results asap i'd like to hear it)

2nd bit: Agreed....likely gonna hold off voting for a bit.
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SirPrimalform: Of course the scum could also just choose to claim town power roles and we'd be left in a "don't shoot me, I'm the real X, they're the fake!" situation. Then there's the matter of the redirector. It's a long shot but if they got it right then the cop results could be all fucked up. I'm not up for proceeding without proper discussion.
These are some good points.....what does everyone else think of this?
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supplementscene: Do you realise we're 1 misslynch away from a town loss?
I can count and I know that....I just have rampant OCD and MUST post old posts before new ones, read from oldest to newest posts, etc.

(All those posts, as said earlier, were made after end of D2 in a notepad for posting on D3)
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supplementscene: Chrisit has revealed cop, which means everyone now has to reveal to give Town info, unless they're mafia trying to hide roles. The doctor can protect Christi tonight, which means we get another read tonight.

Please role reveal faster
You mean claim, correct?

If so, then I reveal...that I am town....now saying much more beyond that.

Now your turn to react to what I said, if you'd like.
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supplementscene: Can you role reveal faster please. Mafia will likely take longer revealing because they have to concoct a lie.
Why would they have to wait? Scum have a chat...they likely made up their lies already.

With this and your questioning of Pooka a bit earlier(even though this is an open setup), i'm beginning to wonder on your level of skill...if just a bit. :|
Replied to Carradice/Pook(in)a/Carradice/Scene
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supplementscene: The doctor can protect Christi tonight, which means we get another read tonight.
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Carradice: That is essentially false.
I am guessing you mean the strongarm, correct?

If the strongarm lives they will likely take out Crisiti during N3...which means we have to make sure we get that scum if we can help it as the next lynch.
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Pookina: I didn't want a quick lynch to happen and end the day earlier, or else it was going to be all for naught.
Fair enough.

Still, what if that lynch(whichever we had picked if we went that route) had hit scum? That's something to mull over, at least.
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Carradice: Just forgot about the 10 minute rule in the forum. Mea culpa.
Well Micro posted twice and Joe didn't exclude him from winning if town wins, so you'll hopefully get a pass.
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supplementscene: Why do you need Christi's reads before you claim? You're smelling incredibly scummy not claiming btw

Why do you not want Town to have the info of our claims?

If Christi knows certain players roles, it will OUT those players who claim otherwise.

Claim now or get lynched
And why do you want everyone to claim first? Is it so cristi can check the claims against her results?
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supplementscene: Why do you need Christi's reads before you claim? You're smelling incredibly scummy not claiming btw
I am not waiting for Cristine’s reads.

It seems you are trying to force things.

You have said that scum needs time to concoct a lie. After that a mass claim was known to be happening by everyone (but Pooka, apparently) and they have had more than FOURS DAYS TO PREPARE FOR THIS. Are you being naive or just manipulative?
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GameRager: You mean claim, correct?

If so, then I reveal...that I am town....now saying much more beyond that.

Now your turn to react to what I said, if you'd like.
This isn't at all helpful. The point is if Chrissie investigated 2 players to be Regular Town if you claimed Regular Town she'd know you're lying

Likewise if she investigated Joppo as Doctor and you claim Doctor she will know you're Scum.

Therefore not stating your full role is as bad as not claiming

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supplementscene: Why do you need Christi's reads before you claim? You're smelling incredibly scummy not claiming btw
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Carradice: I am not waiting for Cristine’s reads.

It seems you are trying to force things.

You have said that scum needs time to concoct a lie. After that a mass claim was known to be happening by everyone (but Pooka, apparently) and they have had more than FOURS DAYS TO PREPARE FOR THIS. Are you being naive or just manipulative?
The reason for Full Claims to be made before Chrisie states her reads is so we can catch Scum lying.

Hence we need your read or we assume you're scum.

Yes I'm trying to force Info for Town and The Chrissie the Cop

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GameRager: And why do you want everyone to claim first? Is it so cristi can check the claims against her results?
Bingo
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supplementscene: This isn't at all helpful. The point is if Chrissie investigated 2 players to be Regular Town if you claimed Regular Town she'd know you're lying

Likewise if she investigated Joppo as Doctor and you claim Doctor she will know you're Scum.

Therefore not stating your full role is as bad as not claiming
What you said would work. In a closed setup. But since it's an open setup, everyone knows what roles are on the table. This means scum can't claim outlandish roles, and will just default to claiming Vanilla. If the Doctor did claim however, the rest of the table is then assumed to claim Vanilla Town. Now if they are indeed Vanilla Town, is another story.
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supplementscene: This isn't at all helpful. The point is if Chrissie investigated 2 players to be Regular Town if you claimed Regular Town she'd know you're lying

Likewise if she investigated Joppo as Doctor and you claim Doctor she will know you're Scum.
Please go read the OP post, as it lists what each PR's parameters are**.....all the cop finds out is if their investigation target is town or mafia, not if they have a PR or not, so revealing such doesn't help cristi out in the way you seem to think it would(though it could possibly help town out).

(**=I'm starting to wonder if i'm not the only one who skims these games o.0)

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supplementscene: Therefore not stating your full role is as bad as not claiming
Read above....all she can verify is a town or scum claim from any of us that she did reads/investigations on....nothing else.