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Posted May 22, 2020
Since not many are posting(sans cristi) atm....a musical interlude played by our band and it's sxy lead singer
(Note: Song link above[Song is "All that Jazz"] is sfw but has women in lingerie singing so one might not want to watch it in more restrictive work environments)
Posted May 22, 2020
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cristigale: So it makes sense for scum to act this way? What does it gain bullet-proof scum to get vigged. Yes, the vig fails today, we loose a lynch. Scum get lynched tomorrow. Where is the sum gain in that for scum?
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Lifthrasil: The net gain is one no-lynch Day. Think it from the time where Laser actively invited being shot. At that point he seemed convinced that he would be the lynch anyhow. Also, the prevalent opinion was that a shot would end the Day. So yes, Scum, put on the spot and resigned to being killed anyhow, WOULD gain something if they make Town waste a Day. That would explain Laser's wish to be shot instead of lynched.

That fits beautifully together with Laser's admission that 'scum would be stupid to ally themselves with me at this point'. That ONLY makes sense, if he will flip Scum. If he were Town - and therefore would flip Town - Scum would know that and might chose to support him, knowing that they could then say the next Day 'Yea. I had a feeling that he would be a mislynch'.

Add to that his strange comment about GR possibly being the Cop (I discussed this in post 492) still leads me to the conclusion that Laser either played very badly or is playing for Scum.

But I really don't understand why you read him as Town. For me the scum-tells are quite strong. That's not mere culture clash and also it isn't the first game he plays here. What makes you defend him?
OK, the first part I see, thanks.

As far as Laser's alignment. We are going to have to agree to disagree. Even if you are town, I don't expect us to see eye-to-eye on this. You take hard stances on topics that I see in all sorts of shades of grey.

You think there is ONLY one way to read 'scum would be stupid to ally themselves with me at this point'. Even if you firmly believe it is a scum statement, you have played this game long enough to know better than that.

If you are town and think he's scum, we are at two diametrically opposed views on this. If you are scum, it's an easy out after the lynch.

If Laser flips town, I do believe this is culture clash and scum pushing.

Lift saying he won't share his read until he sees how Laser flips is a cop out.

Vote Lifthrasil
Posted May 22, 2020
Here is where I currently am:

Town: Pooka, Cadaver, Scene, Laser, Lonzi

Leaning town: GameRager

Scum: SPF, Lift, Carradice

Carradice is somewhat POE, but there are some concerns I didn't get a chance to post yet.
Posted May 22, 2020
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cristigale: Leaning town: GameRager
Wha?!? Didn't you get the memo**?

Unofficial GOG mafia rule#34: *Everyone must consider me scum by near end of D2* ;)

What do I have to do to get suspected around here? Maybe kicking that steampunk robotic puppy on the piano would work...

(**=That is a joke, in case someone thinks there was actually a memo)
Posted May 22, 2020
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cristigale: Leaning town: GameRager
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GameRager: Wha?!? Didn't you get the memo**?

Unofficial GOG mafia rule#34: *Everyone must consider me scum by near end of D2* ;)

What do I have to do to get suspected around here? Maybe kicking that steampunk robotic puppy on the piano would work...

(**=That is a joke, in case someone thinks there was actually a memo)
You're scum. Is that better? ;-)

Seriously, can you look at my post on Lift and tell me what you think. Am I tunneling?
Posted May 22, 2020
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cristigale: You're scum. Is that better? ;-)
Yes, even when town all must consider me scum else the very fabric of the game might fall apart. o.0

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cristigale: Seriously, can you look at my post on Lift and tell me what you think. Am I tunneling?
A bit.....Lift is usually that way...he holds his "cards" close to his chest until the right moment, often with some plan in mind to trip up scum.

As such I find it more NAI(atm).
Posted May 22, 2020
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cristigale: You're scum. Is that better? ;-)
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GameRager: Yes, even when town all must consider me scum else the very fabric of the game might fall apart. o.0

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cristigale: Seriously, can you look at my post on Lift and tell me what you think. Am I tunneling?
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GameRager: A bit.....Lift is usually that way...he holds his "cards" close to his chest until the right moment, often with some plan in mind to trip up scum.

As such I find it more NAI(atm).
Have you played with scum!Lift? If so, do you a see a difference in his town/scum play?

BTW, whatever you are dealing with IRL, I wish you the best.
Posted May 22, 2020
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cristigale: Have you played with scum!Lift? If so, do you a see a difference in his town/scum play?
I'd have to look back to see if I played with scum!lift(bad IRL memory)...that said, I believe he plays around the same no matter what(iirc).

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cristigale: BTW, whatever you are dealing with IRL, I wish you the best.
Thanks....it is on my mind throughout the day, and makes it hard to focus sometimes.....thankfully i'll know the outcome of my IRL in about a month or 2(afaik), and by then i'll hopefully be able to feel some relief.
Posted May 22, 2020
Carradice may be somewhat OMGUS on my part, I get the feeling he is trying to shade me.

On Sunday morning, when I started catching up with the thread, the thread was still open. By the time I read up enough to know that lynch occurred, Joe had already locked the thread. Today (D2), Carradice said I was lurking most of the last game day

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Carradice: Cristine did not show up, IIRC. Lurked for most of the last game-day, then came in aggressively. She placed a vote on Games O’Rager. I would beg the question of whether she actually played with O’Rager before. If she knows Games, she ought to know that he actually loves writing and interacting, regardless of his alignment. This is the reason why I was buying his RL excuse for being mostly absent on Day 1 (not the case with Lift but I was ready to buy it as well). But Cristine went after him. That seemed a tad opportunistic. She bought Walkins’s and Scenes’s logic, no questions posed. She defused Zeffer’s drive against Walkins, and that is when Walkins really saved his skin on Day one, and Mike the Fish bought lottery tickets for a whole lote of round holes. Now that even Scenes retracted on his prior judgment of Walkins, what will her approach be? Actually, if she is scum, she does not need to be scum with any of them at all. She might have helped Scenes/Walkins survive in order to maintain a distraction, both for the lunch invites and for the (admittedly limited by the number of real game turns) Cop investigative actions. All this is speculative, of course, and she might have good reasons for his actions. Surely she will eventually appear and explain, and even share her views. Did they change? Was O’Rager a placeholder vote, waiting for the proper time to go after someone else?
From my recollection, other than the 6-7 hours that I was out before EOD, I was present throughout D1. In fact, I believe I was present more than you D1. Can you explain how that is lurking?

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Carradice: Zeffer Briilliant player, will be missed. Very nice to have around, too. He was after Walkins, then he got stopped in his tracks by Cristine, who played with the notion of him having a bias against Lazy. When he changed his vote, that bandwagon lost its momentum. Now people has jumped on that same bandwagon. Is it too wild to speculate that he might be vocally considering the merits of said bandwagon, possibly jumping in? I think, that with Zeffer on board, it might have been successful. The question her is: Is it too soon for the interest of the Mob to have Walkins burned? Would not he be more useful as a decoy in the late game?
Zeffer was a brilliant player....and yet I somehow managed to stop him in his tracks? Did I force him to change his mind? We know he is town and I agree that he is a strong player. What does the fact that a brilliant player changed his mind tell you?


So yeah, beyond the POE, I believe Carradice is throwing shade my way. They have some posts with respectable analysis. But also several posts that focus on roles and other NAI things that make them look busy, which is easy for scum to do to remain present in the thread.
Posted May 22, 2020
Townread on cristigale strengthened quite a bit after her recent posts, haven't had time to go over her thoughts in depth but looks like her reads closely mirror mine - I had a big post in draft that I was working on between bits of work going over my read on GameRanger and Lift, singled those two out in particular as I think my read on them differs from the rest of thread. And I just lost the draft because I got excited when I saw cristi coming out with the same reads as me and clicked new post, if anyone knows of a way to recover it please let me know otherwise I'll write it up again.
Posted May 22, 2020
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cristigale: Carradice may be somewhat OMGUS on my part, I get the feeling he is trying to shade me.

On Sunday morning, when I started catching up with the thread, the thread was still open. By the time I read up enough to know that lynch occurred, Joe had already locked the thread. Today (D2), Carradice said I was lurking most of the last game day
I also have had moments where I missed a deadline and didn't get caught up in time....so I know where you're coming from.

Some advice: If wanting to reply after nightfall/deadline, carefully copy the contents of replies to people's posts out of reply windows to a notepad/wordpad(without replying so as not to get in trouble with Joe) and reply to them there...then when the game resumes, post your replies all at once.

As for carradice...they also seem NAI(business as usual) from my pov/past experience playing with them....though of course I could be wrong, so take my read on them with that in mind.
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lonzi: Townread on cristigale strengthened quite a bit after her recent posts, haven't had time to go over her thoughts in depth but looks like her reads closely mirror mine - I had a big post in draft that I was working on between bits of work going over my read on GameRanger and Lift, singled those two out in particular as I think my read on them differs from the rest of thread. And I just lost the draft because I got excited when I saw cristi coming out with the same reads as me and clicked new post, if anyone knows of a way to recover it please let me know otherwise I'll write it up again.
I usually click ctrl+c every so often to make sure the stuff i've been writing stays in memory if I accidentally close the window or reply without posting some or all of it......and I also paste that to a notepad/wordpad as a backup(before posting it via the window) in case the forums eats a reply of mine or something else happens.

Sidenote: Just a minor correction to point out.....the name is Gamerager.....not Gameranger. :)
Posted May 22, 2020
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lonzi: ...if anyone knows of a way to recover it please let me know....
Unfortunately, I do not think there is a way to recover it. Your best bet is to copy/paste it before posting (in case GOG eats a post, as has been known to happen) or to write your message in a 3rd-party word processor (wordpad, openoffice, etc) and copy/paste it into GOG when you go to post it.

The Shadow ducks before Joe slams him in the brig.
Post edited May 22, 2020 by Microfish_1
Posted May 22, 2020
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Microfish_1: Unfortunately, I do not think there is a way to recover it. Your best bet is to copy/paste it before posting (in case GOG eats a post, as has been known to happen) or to write your message in a 3rd-party word processor (wordpad, openoffice, etc) and copy/paste it into GOG when you go to post it.

The Shadow ducks before Joe slams him in the brig.
Nice of you to help, but why risk posting when you could've sent that user a PM? ;)

(No need to reply, of course....now scoot back to the obs. thread :))
Posted May 22, 2020
GR, I've not replied to this earlier. I didn't mean to be impolite but somehow missed it.

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GameRager: I am guessing you don't mean wait until the exact last minute to change course(if Pook[in]a doesn]t shoot anyone).....so the last day? What if not enough are on to achieve a lynch?

Well maybe last day would work if we all had 24 or so hours....not 12 or less(just my two cents).
I would wait till the last notification from Joe, something like *10 hours left* (anything less than 1 day really). In your case (different time zone / 10-12 sleep hours occurrences) anything after Friday night.

I woke up recently and checked new posts, Pookina is going to shot someone Friday Evening (it's 11-10 AM in Moscow / 10-11 AM in Cairo). I'll check with Pooka about his time zone to be exact, but it's safe to assume that we have about 6 hours left. And Pookina is expecting us to vote for favorable targets as a mean of our *trust/distrust* towards Mafia players. I'm OK with that and if nothing happens it's 1 more day till EOD.

@Pookina if you're reading this please state your Time Zone and evening time expectations. It's important for me especially since I might have to travel to my home (I'm at my relatives) this evening. But for now I'm fine with my vote on Scene.

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GameRager: The reason I don't bring it up(what it is) is that I don't want to spread some personal business of mine around the forum. If you want to know my IRL issues I might tell you via PM, but I don't want to discuss what is bothering me atm in a public thread.
OK, will discuss it until after the game in PM. Not going to press you on this further from now on.

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GameRager: I'm not too good at those aspects(for various reasons), though I try my best regardless & will try to work as best I can on such in the future.
OK.

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GameRager: With all my prior games, people should know by now to not pin me to any side due to how they think each side would act in each game type.
OK.

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GameRager: I also play to win to the best of my ability, but I also like to have fun and that is a slightly bigger motivation for me....I am not trying to "ruin the games" on purpose, if you truly think that.
OK.

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GameRager: I defend it so much because people like to make "pokes" at it from time to time instead of just adapting to how I play and gauging me accordingly in each game.
Yeah, I get it.

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GameRager: The Laser vote? All I will say is if you aren't convinced yet then it's likely nothing will convince you so you are free to believe what you will.
At least I'm not convinced that you're Mafia. But it's exactly the same you from previous Mafia game when you killed me and I believed in you for that same reason: it's you play style and all.

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GameRager: It is a constant issue nagging at the back of my mind and likely will affect me in general for the next several months. As said above, I might tell you what it is via PM but I won't be listing it here(don't want people reading the forums spreading it around).
OK, no worries.

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GameRager: Lonzi, for one, and anyone else who hasn't posted much....I don't track post counts, i'd need to go back and check.
Still elusive, oh well... but OK.
Posted May 22, 2020
Fast replies. Not doing multiquote since I am sick of multiquoting.

@GR: Thanks for the kind word on the song. The work on the lyrics was sparse, just a few couplets, the original song fit the intended theme so much. Synchronizing all the subtitles was more lengthy, but since the actual performance was so enjoyable, with so many little nice details, it was very fun to do. The Lyncher song took more effort lyrics wise, but for this one, you get Herod interrogating and speaking about Micro in lipsinc ;-)

@Cadaver: Thanks for the explanation. Even if it is not an idiom, it was an interesting turn of phrase. You would say either "sewn" or "sewn up". "Up" would add emphasis. However, given the rythm of the phrase, without "up" it has a nice ring to it. The interest in language is lifelong.

@Lazy: So, what was the original language for the rules of the Court of the Sultan game? The ones you made the effort of translating into English.

@Lonzi: A lightweight text editor gets little in the way.


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