Actually fuck it I'm good on Cadaver.

I don't see why you're calling Mafia *a wolf* but fine.

I'm super comfortable with that statement I made about a player who discussed what the cop should and should not do for a second time. I'm super comfortable with noting that cop investigation on most likely to be a lynched target would be a waste. I would act the same even if I were Mafia, perhaps maybe I wouldn't be so *vocal* about some things (this is not a claim that I'm Town).

So I don't see any *insanity* in my post. But since you asked *other people's* thoughts maybe they will see if from a completely different perspective.

It's my second GOG Mafia game, it's my 3rd GOG game (incl. Court of the Sultan) and I've played a bit on some Russian iirc channel a long time ago (a game session lasted for about 1 hour with shot breaks, there were a killer, a doctor, a sometimes a cop, others were just voters)

Replied to Carradice/Lonzi/Cadaver
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Good to hear.....will be waiting to see what you post re: this.
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Imo they wouldn't as that would be a waste of a shot(it could be a town making the fake claim for some weird reason)....also if a person fake vig claimed imo the real day vig should(in general) stay quiet and not counter it so as to not be outed and found by scum.

I said the likely reason before: You don't post much. I know that's because of your IRL, but people sitll sometimes will suspect lurkers even those with IRL issues and reasons for lurking.

That said, I hope you start to feel better and get some more free time so you can post a bit more.

EBWOP: Like the ones you did while I was replying to other posts(replied to below)

Tbh I usually suspect lurkers a bit, but put them at the bottom of my suspects list....also I usually vote them mainly when I have little else to go on from others.
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I haven't worn a suit in years or looked at too many of them, actually....didn't know(or remember) they had sewn closed pockets.

Aside: That seems a dumb thing to do in tailoring.....why put pockets on something and then sew them shut? For the look? Seems a waste to me.

I believe that's an alt. name for the scum team or mafia games in some areas/etc.

I'm not fully caught up yet but I have to come back to this tomorrow, can barely keep my eyes open.

I have absolute faith that Cadaver and Scene are town. I am trusting my gut on Gamerager and Lonzi. Cristigale's scum reads align perfectly with my own, and it wouldn't make sense for her to defend me as mafia. Pooka is confirmed town.

The only players I haven't eliminated are SirP, Carradice, and Lift. The first two are incredibly obvious to me, whereas Lift hasn't given me enough reason to clear him. This is most likely the scum team.

Just so you know, I'm almost never going to be interested in talking about my read on you with you. Also, I think you've misunderstood what my read on you there was about, but it's all good.


I mean, if you're the real dayvig here you shoot Pookah 100% of the time and we spend the rest of the day looking for spew from her flip and finding her partners. There's literally no upside to not shooting her, if you don't shoot her you're allowing mafia to be fake cleared, you're denying town info and a red flip, and you're making us waste time trying to sort you when you could be cleared. And you never just counterclaim because you'd forcing town to coinflip on a lynch that could be resolved without ever losing town KP. It's the same principle as vig, you don't counterclaim someone who claims vig, you just shoot them that night, except here you're turned into a VT after you shoot so not only are you killing a wolf, you're clearing yourself while forcing mafia to shoot a functionally vanilla role. Does that all make sense?


Think you misunderstood, I wasn't talking about anyone suspecting me (don't think anyone is, except apparently you I guess) and don't particularly care, just don't think it's an accurate description of my play and think dismissing me as an unknown is a slimy way to treat my slot. But maybe I'm just delusional and it is accurate.

For the most part....I got the basic gist of what you said, I believe.

Sorry, misread that a bit....that said, eh if one doesn't post a lot then they are sometimes called a lurker(even if they are not trying to lurk) or thought of as a lurker.....it's just part of normal play.

For what it's worth, I wanted to lynch LASER on D1, but when I came online Micro had already been hammered.

You just think he's a really anti-town town?

I was bothered by it on D1 but it hadn't yet occurred to me why Scene might get so confused by it. The speed at which LASER jumped to the hard conclusion Scene is town is part of what makes me think the whole thing was contrived to 'clear' Scene.

It is pretty weird how Cristi's list mirrored your own (minus her, who you'd included on your list at that point). And now you're clearing her for parroting your list? Assuming for a moment that you're town, why wouldn't it make sense for a mafia!Cristi to align herself with you?

Are you serious? It would be extremely risky and pointless for mafia to align themselves with me right now.

Oh right, because you're scum and you'd take them down with you?

You know that if you flip town people are going to turn on me first and foremost.

I've given plenty of excuses for scum to vote me without being questioned. If anyone is still defending me at this point, it's because they are most likely town. That has been my PoE strategy this entire game.

Gamerager or Scene are the next probable lynch targets, which you have been helping to manufacture.

I haven't eliminated anyone solely because they town read me, but it is a point in her favor. Unlike players such as yourself, which have done nothing but effortlessly cling to my wagon instead of scum hunting.

The question is if Mafia would bother to defend me after everything I did. The answer is probably not, because it would be dumb and pointless. Our reads are also on the same page, which is another good reason to eliminate Cristigale.

FACT: FIRST DRAFT FOR D-2 SUSPICION TABLES

Ladies and gentlemen, the first compilation of views is ready. Since not everyone expressed their opinion in an equally clear way, you might find inaccuracies. If you feel misrepresented, by all means let me know, so that it can be corrected.

Veterans from the Harry Potter game know the drill. The table above shows in a column the opinion of each player on everyone else. The rows to the left summarize the results.

1 is a flipped scum. 0 is a flipped town. 0.5 equals a perfectly ambivalent view, or failing to mention someone.

The table below translates scummy views into possible bandwagons. Treat it as virtual bandwagons.


FACT: DISCUSSION

The virtual bandwagons table shows a few surprises, at it often does. Leading appears Large the LIft, followed very closely by Lazy Walkins, and then by Shirley Primalley and Scenes.

Most agressive with the number of suspects appears Cadaver. He appears to be also the most severe in his judgement of the other players (highest average cipher for suspicion assignments). Most lax appear to be Jocelyn Carradice and Lazy Walkins. Walkins's and Cristine's views appear as the most contrasted ones, with the least number of ambiguous readings.

Most trusted appear to be Miss Pookie, Cadaver Slim, and Shapie Lonzi.

If we move to the readings averaged by trust, Shirley remains the most controversial (the one who receives more contrasted readings, below 0.5 and over 0.5). Most suspicious remains Lazy Walkins, followed closely by the LIft and Scenes, then Primalley.

The Lift leading by far the virtual bandwagons list, while remaining the second in averaged suspicion, indicates that there is a large number of players giving him a soft scum reading. On the other hand, the scummy readings for Laser, Scenes and Primalley are less in number but more clear. The large number of soft scum readings for the Lift might be attributed to his sparse presence in the game thread and (arguably) rushed comments on the Pookie hicjacking situation ("to vig or not to vig").

Takeaways: LIft might improve his scumminess by showing more in the thread. Failing to do that, he might be a solid alternative to the more discussed Walkins or Scenes. Primalley has been targeted by a few, but he appears to be trusted by a few as well. He appears to be the most controversial player right now and a successfull bandwagon on him seems less likely than for the others, at the moment.