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Posted June 20, 2019
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GameRager: I role blocked you of course(I found your longwinded defensive posts to multiple people on the first game "day" to be a bit suspect so I picked you), and I was going to do so again but at this point I don't know if i'll even be around to do so.
First, we don't know if you're TOWN roleblocker or SCUM roleblocker. We don't know much about the mafia other than "we have one dead goon." So a roleblocker claim doesn't really clear you.

Not to mention you roleblocked and would continue to roleblock scene. If you're scum and he's town, you would believe his claim that he is vanilla town, so roleblocking him is also playing it safe as you are sure he won't do a darn thing to begin with.

Of course, both of you could be town (I hope that's the scenario we're seeing here, that would explain a lot of things), could be scum relying on a long term play involving bussing, or on different teams. I just can't help but note your claim is fishy and doesn't seem sincere.

Also, I don't think anybody has the manpower to go search for the old games you've participated in to form their meta play expectations. It would be a lot easier if you link to the games you played, and say in which you played as town and which you played as scum.
Posted June 20, 2019
Also, don't forget that searching the GOG forums to begin with is a pain. Yesterday, I was trying to find the original wayback machine link to the Gabe Promised Steam Games are Safe™ statement, as I am sure it was linked in the forums, but to no success. So, yeah.
Posted June 20, 2019
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GameRager: .........
Believe what you will. If my latest posts don't convince you nothing will.
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flubbucket: town roleblocker.....mafia roleblocker......tough call.
True...flip this coin I have on my person then? Or draw straws perhaps? I don't know what else to say as of now.


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dedoporno: Somehow I posted mid-post while going through the new posts and quoting stuff. Not sure how that happened.

I was going to write more stuff but I now see there is a claim and I may have to back out after all at least for a moment.

unvote GameRager

@GR, I just add something that got lost in my original post and doesn't have to do with the current alignments and such but in general - regardless of alignments I strongly suggest to consider not assuming how much time other players have for whatever just because you or someone else has that time and is ready to invest it in such a way.
It happens sometimes with me/other threads as well...one gets used to it/learns how to mitigate it as best as possible.

As for the @GR part: I get that, but I posted very little to maybe 2 games, so it wouldn't be much work and I figured one could do that or ask anyone who played with me at the time who might also be in this game.



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GameRager: I role blocked you of course(I found your longwinded defensive posts to multiple people on the first game "day" to be a bit suspect so I picked you), and I was going to do so again but at this point I don't know if i'll even be around to do so.
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PookaMustard: First, we don't know if you're TOWN roleblocker or SCUM roleblocker. We don't know much about the mafia other than "we have one dead goon." So a roleblocker claim doesn't really clear you.

Not to mention you roleblocked and would continue to roleblock scene. If you're scum and he's town, you would believe his claim that he is vanilla town, so roleblocking him is also playing it safe as you are sure he won't do a darn thing to begin with.

Of course, both of you could be town (I hope that's the scenario we're seeing here, that would explain a lot of things), could be scum relying on a long term play involving bussing, or on different teams. I just can't help but note your claim is fishy and doesn't seem sincere.

Also, I don't think anybody has the manpower to go search for the old games you've participated in to form their meta play expectations. It would be a lot easier if you link to the games you played, and say in which you played as town and which you played as scum.
1. No, it does not, but i'd rather be open about my role and keep my fellow town from losing that advantage. If they/you believe me is up to you/them.

If I did get lynched today/the next day/etc(game days) i'd still recommend that remaining town check my wagon as scum would likely be on it now that my role is known.

2. I said that as I thought he was scum. I still do to some extent, but i'm willing to see what he says in reply to my posts tomorrow(irl tomorrow) and gauge from that what to do next(re: blocking/etc).

As for believing his claim: Say I did and I was scum, why would I roleblock a claimed vanilla town and not someone else?

3. I will do that either today(thursday) or tomorrow morning(friday). I am pretty sure both games were also town and in one I was definitely a doctor. In both I played about the same way(though I added flavor iirc to one game in how I replied/etc).
Posted June 20, 2019
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flubbucket: You absolutely should not leench me because I'll not have a chance to investigate as a cop and also I'll not have a chance to stop a Night Kill as a doctor if I'm launched.
Flub claiming he got blocked N1. You heard it here first!

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GameRager: 2. I pointed out my past games to show that that is how I play. If you don't want to look them up and want to point the finger at me without verifying my claims first(which is easy if one searches my posts in old mafia games) then that's your perogative.
Why are we expected to do the work to prove your claim when you are the one claiming and you aren't willing to do any work for it?

I have limited free time, and I'm generally not going to invest it to read old games, especially ones I didn't play and that don't have a recommendation for something funny/interesting.

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GameRager: By refusing to look such up you are acting like you don't care if you lynch a fellow town or not.
I don't know about Dedo, but News Flash: Town!Me is perfectly happy to bury some townies on the way to a town victory.

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GameRager: 6. Well all I can say is when I flip town(if I get lynched) you guys will have egg on your face.
Mmm, free egg.

Also, nice that you know mafia won't NK you. :P

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GameRager: Believe what you will. If my latest posts don't convince you nothing will.
Your flip will be more persuasive.
Posted June 20, 2019
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Bookwyrm627: Why are we expected to do the work to prove your claim when you are the one claiming and you aren't willing to do any work for it?

I don't know about Dedo, but News Flash: Town!Me is perfectly happy to bury some townies on the way to a town victory.

Also, nice that you know mafia won't NK you. :P

Your flip will be more persuasive.
Huh.

Good points/observations all the way around. Wish i had said them first; now I'll just look like a copycat.

I thought it weird GR ignored the possibility of a NK. Howsomever, I made plenty of mistakes last game, myself, so I shouldn't judge too hard...yet.

Also, @Bookwyrm, for you: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

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>Am willing to lunch Flub, to test Trent's theory.
>Am more willing to stick to scene.
>Willing to lunch GOGtrial, he strikes me as fishy, his playstyle is too similar to that of Scum!HSL for me to be comfortable--though he was right about the sequence of events; I misread earlier. (HSL, if/when you read this, this is a compliment to you & your play in #57)
>If flub is town, Trenton shall fall to George Washington (or the British, whichever) in a hurry.
>I feel that my wanting to lunch Book is perhaps leftovers from last game, so I shan't at present.


>Unsure:
Joe
Dedo

>Not willing to lunch:
GR--yet--he's very interesting and curious, and I prefer to not yet vote, but see if he is NK'd.
Pooka (? I don't recall playing with him being a bad guy; his playstyle doesn't seem abnormal for T/L!Pooka)
Me (I'm cheap and prefer that someone else pay).
Posted June 21, 2019
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GameRager: 2. I pointed out my past games to show that that is how I play. If you don't want to look them up and want to point the finger at me without verifying my claims first(which is easy if one searches my posts in old mafia games) then that's your perogative.
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Bookwyrm627: Why are we expected to do the work to prove your claim when you are the one claiming and you aren't willing to do any work for it?

I have limited free time, and I'm generally not going to invest it to read old games, especially ones I didn't play and that don't have a recommendation for something funny/interesting.

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GameRager: By refusing to look such up you are acting like you don't care if you lynch a fellow town or not.
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Bookwyrm627: I don't know about Dedo, but News Flash: Town!Me is perfectly happy to bury some townies on the way to a town victory.

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GameRager: 6. Well all I can say is when I flip town(if I get lynched) you guys will have egg on your face.
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Bookwyrm627: Mmm, free egg.

Also, nice that you know mafia won't NK you. :P

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GameRager: Believe what you will. If my latest posts don't convince you nothing will.
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Bookwyrm627: Your flip will be more persuasive.
1.Read the other replies I made. I will see if I can find the game I was in/the posts in question today/tomorrow(irl days) if I can. Also people are free to ask those I played with who might be in this game as well/in general.

2. That still seems a bit suspect. You'd think fellow town wouldn't want to lose other town so readily(besides maybe getting a read from the wagon that formed on said town).

3. Why won't they? They could easily sneak in on the wagon forming against me due to how I play/what i HAVE SAID.

4. Perhaps, and if it happens I ask any remaining town to analyze the wagon carefully.


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Bookwyrm627: Why are we expected to do the work to prove your claim when you are the one claiming and you aren't willing to do any work for it?

I don't know about Dedo, but News Flash: Town!Me is perfectly happy to bury some townies on the way to a town victory.

Also, nice that you know mafia won't NK you. :P

Your flip will be more persuasive.
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Microfish_1: Huh.

Good points/observations all the way around. Wish i had said them first; now I'll just look like a copycat.

I thought it weird GR ignored the possibility of a NK. Howsomever, I made plenty of mistakes last game, myself, so I shouldn't judge too hard...yet.

Also, @Bookwyrm, for you: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

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>Am willing to lunch Flub, to test Trent's theory.
>Am more willing to stick to scene.
>Willing to lunch GOGtrial, he strikes me as fishy, his playstyle is too similar to that of Scum!HSL for me to be comfortable--though he was right about the sequence of events; I misread earlier. (HSL, if/when you read this, this is a compliment to you & your play in #57)
>If flub is town, Trenton shall fall to George Washington (or the British, whichever) in a hurry.
>I feel that my wanting to lunch Book is perhaps leftovers from last game, so I shan't at present.

>Unsure:
Joe
Dedo

>Not willing to lunch:
GR--yet--he's very interesting and curious, and I prefer to not yet vote, but see if he is NK'd.
Pooka (? I don't recall playing with him being a bad guy; his playstyle doesn't seem abnormal for T/L!Pooka)
Me (I'm cheap and prefer that someone else pay).
I guessed I could be NK'd by scum by revealing my role, which is why I originally tried to hide it at first and then dropped hints.
Posted June 21, 2019
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Bookwyrm627: ...........<snip>.............
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flubbucket: In Game #23, mason claims were very effective.
Could you give a summary of what happened to clear up the relevance of your reply to that particular post?

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trentonlf: Not voting today unless something extraordinary happens because I believe they are town

1. As much as it pains me, supplementscene.
2. Gamerager, even though he is the leading wagon, and from his posts I believe him that his lynch would be a mistake.
3. Gogtrial, if he's scum I'll tip my hat to him as he has me fooled because everything I see is him trying to figure things out.
4. bookwyrm, same as Gogtrial.
Along with yourself, that's four of the five people I have in my lynch pool which you're unwilling to vote for. I'm guessing you don't agree with my reasoning for provisionally clearing the rest?

What do you think of Joe?

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gogtrial34987: ... and you're now newly suspicious for SPF's behaviour toward you (though of course SPF might've expected you to be lynched, and thus wanted to claim town-points for having defended you; isn't WIFOM just the best?))....
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JoeSapphire: Did SirP defend supplementscene? I need to re-read this game.
"Defend" is probably a bit stronger a word than what's really warranted, but see my SPF quotes at the bottom of #458.

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gogtrial34987: Nothing is certain, but all the same, I'm feeling pretty good about calling Microfish, PookaMustard and GameRager likely town. flub and dedo are also on the likelier town side of things based on this.
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JoeSapphire: historically, SirP and GameRager have been on a mafia team together. As it's been described to me GameRager invented a role and self-destructed for no reason... it's a reason for sirp to be wary about interacting with hypothetically-mafia gamerager.
Could you try this one again with a link that's pointing to the intended thread? This one goes to the current thread, which I don't think is what you intended. Sounds like a game that's worth having a look at, in any case!

Thank you, btw, for actually writing some opinions on my line of reasoning. I've been having the feeling that I'm talking into the void here.
(Which, come to think of it, is hopeful in itself! If I was completely wrong, then remaining mafia would've had cause to publicly support my line of reasoning and steer us wrong like that. So I'm going to conclude that I'm at least partly right, and that there's at least one mafia in scene, Joe, Bookwyrm, trent!)
((Except of course if mafia only skim the thread and/or find my posts too much work to read, and prefer waiting for the CliffsNotes, so never picked up on the opportunity...)) :(

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GameRager: Ah what the hell....I am town roleblocker.
Since no one has explicitly asked you yet: Did you leave any breadcrumbs in the early game to help you 'prove' this claim?
Why did you not wait until L-1 to claim?

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Microfish_1: >Willing to lunch GOGtrial, he strikes me as fishy, his playstyle is too similar to that of Scum!HSL for me to be comfortable--though he was right about the sequence of events; I misread earlier. (HSL, if/when you read this, this is a compliment to you & your play in #57)
FWIW, I also consider this a compliment. (Also, have you ever played with town!HSL? Because my playstyle might also remind you of that, given how indistinguishable the two are for HSL.)

@ZFR: Did you already announce when deadline is? Saturday again? Sunday?
Posted June 21, 2019
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GameRager: Ah what the hell....I am town roleblocker.
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gogtrial34987: Since no one has explicitly asked you yet: Did you leave any breadcrumbs in the early game to help you 'prove' this claim?
Why did you not wait until L-1 to claim?

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@ZFR: Did you already announce when deadline is? Saturday again? Sunday?
1. Sadly no. but I did drop snot so subtle hints as a wagon started to form.

As for why I didn't wait: I sometimes don't post for 18+ hours between times online, and with my wagon forming rather quickly I didn't want to risk leaving it and then coming back to drop my role only to find i'd been lynched while I slept/went out/etc.

2. I believe it is Saturday.
Posted June 21, 2019
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gogtrial34987: @ZFR: Did you already announce when deadline is? Saturday again? Sunday?
Saturday.
Posted June 21, 2019
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gogtrial34987: Could you give a summary of what happened to clear up the relevance of your reply to that particular post?

Along with yourself, that's four of the five people I have in my lynch pool which you're unwilling to vote for. I'm guessing you don't agree with my reasoning for provisionally clearing the rest?

What do you think of Joe?


@ZFR: Did you already announce when deadline is? Saturday again? Sunday?
Your reasoning could be spot on and 100% correct, but the feel I get in my gut from the game tells me flub is probably scum and very possibly dedo. My will not vote for pool is also based mostly on my gut as well, but I would be hard pressed to vote anyone on that list.

As for Joe I am not overly sure about, I have him leaning town but could see him being scum as his town and scum game are very similar.

The Day will end Saturday
Posted June 21, 2019
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gogtrial34987: @ZFR: Did you already announce when deadline is? Saturday again? Sunday?
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ZFR: Saturday.
BTW is that saturday on your side of the international date line or on mine? I would assume it is on your side, right?

If so then that's friday for me.
Posted June 21, 2019
Saturday UTC.

I'm flying in the evening, so it's going to be either noonish or late at night after I land.
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GameRager: BTW is that saturday on your side of the international date line or on mine? I would assume it is on your side, right?

If so then that's friday for me.
We're on the same side. Not sure what's your time Zone, but unless you're in Hawaii, we share most of Saturday. If you're on East Coast we share almost 80% of it.

The only way my Saturday would be your Friday is if I wake up especially early (before 5 am) and end it just to spite you all.
Post edited June 21, 2019 by ZFR
Posted June 21, 2019
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ZFR: Saturday UTC.

I'm flying in the evening, so it's going to be either noonish or late at night after I land.
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GameRager: BTW is that saturday on your side of the international date line or on mine? I would assume it is on your side, right?

If so then that's friday for me.
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ZFR: We're on the same side. Not sure what's your time Zone, but unless you're in Hawaii, we share most of Saturday. If you're on East Coast we share almost 80% of it.

The only way my Saturday would be your Friday is if I wake up especially early (before 5 am) and end it just to spite you all.
1. Thanks for the info(had to look up and puzzle out UTC though).

2. You wouldn't do that, would ya OP? o.0

:D

But yeah you are like 5 hours ahead of me.
Posted June 21, 2019
Meh, that's not very long at all, really.

From my lynch-pool, scene and trent appear to be the only names with potentially enough support to be lynched. scene's an existing wagon, and could be an alternative to GameRager, who I don't believe to be a good lynch for today (regardless of my shiny theory about SPF, and despite everything that's anti-town about his answers). However, I'm hoping there's still enough time for my 'preferred' lynch (entirely due to the way SPF interacted with him, namely lightly questioning his thinking, which to me mirrors the way mafia-SPF behaved toward fellow mafia in game #53).

vote trent

urgh, now I'm going to have to read it from the other side, and see how trent acted toward SPF. And I'll probably have to do the same for Joe, scene and Bookwyrm as well. And then flub and dedo.

Why do I do this to myself?
@flub, can you teach me to be like you?

Y'know what's going to irk me most if trent turns out to be mafia? That scene and agent were right about the wagon position. >.<
Please be town, trent?

After some reading: Meh, trent never directed anything toward SPF, other than answering a single direct question.
He did mostly ignore Joe in #55 as well, though, so that might be in character?
No, he didn't ignore him completely. And maybe I'm now only seeing what I want to see.

Bookwyrm completely ignored SPF as well.

Maybe I'm going to have to conclude that SPF was just way too floaty and non-present to conclude anything from sparse interactions. Which of course was probably exactly what he was aiming for.

Anyway, it's late, and I'm going to leave my vote here for the night to see if anyone wants to join me, as I believe there to still be some merit to it. Will re-evaluate tomorrow. Should have a decent chunk of time available for doing so.
Posted June 21, 2019
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gogtrial34987: Meh, that's not very long at all, really.

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Anyway, it's late, and I'm going to leave my vote here for the night to see if anyone wants to join me, as I believe there to still be some merit to it. Will re-evaluate tomorrow. Should have a decent chunk of time available for doing so.
1. True....it doesn't give us much time to get a lynch on scum.

2. I dunno how that will go....we have less than two irl days left till sunset/end of day/night and the wagons are all over the place. :\

Well get some sleep/do whatever you will and we'll see how the votes go.
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