I just got a message from Joe saying that he will join us tonight. So it looks like there's no replacement necessary either. Let's hope it stays that way!

Sickety sick sick

I'd forgotten about that one. The more recent example was when Vitek and I jumped on SPF for his opening post in Poppy's game and were dead on. It's not a guarantee, certainly, but yes, it's worth looking closely at how everyone starts in because it can tell you things, and D1 is rarely about certainties and just trying to get better odds than pure randomness.

You don't say?

Yes, understanding roles is important. But a) it can't be the only thing you talk about as it prevents town from getting any information about you, and b) you can ask questions of other players, provided you are careful and don't delve into fishing. Talking endlessly to just the mod is...curious.

1. Your prior post is ironic, given this follow-up. We don't have a Town cop, we have a (town) Parity cop, which doesn't give the tidy green/red reads to which you refer, so that would be impossible in this game anyway. I'm not trying to be an asshole (but am) but...I stand by my prior assessment.

Moving on, this isn't shade, so don't freak out, but your actual suggestion would be terrible if we had a standard cop.

And I say that precisely because I had the same exactly idea several games ago as town cop trying to figure out how to breadcrumb safely - it makes awesome sense if you focus only on the player that is the cop. Camoflage! Great solution! Hurray!

But...step back and the gambit blows up in your face as soon as you look at the field. One thing wolves are usually looking to do is hunt cops, and they at least generally know alignments. All it takes is for town flub to say his one true read is that ___ is maf. Mafia know ___ is not mafia, and voila, they know flub is not the cop, which quickly improves their odds for NKing the real cop as the game progresses.

Aggregate those mistakes over 1-2 days, and the field probably thins quickly for surer cop hunting.

That's bad.

It's also problematic if the person the cop visits N1 gets NKed by maf/vig/whatever, or the cop gets RBed/jailed, and the cop has no living reads at all D2. Cop then has to make up a read. Potential problems ensue if cop gets killed before revealing and clarifying.

It does look brilliant at first, but it really doesn't work once you dig into how it would actually play in a game.

So, alas, the problem of how town cop can safely breadcrumb remains, but it doesn't particularly matter for this game because we don't have that role.

2. And that's exactly why I'm aggressive early in D1 while most are generally dinking around. Also, as a minor etiquette point people who have not yet arrived are generally considered in a separate category from "lurkers" with customs and sub considerations applying accordingly.

But I don't care to unpack all that since we're not going to rush through a Joewagon in the next few hours anyway.

You mean the random.org vote? I wouldn't say that's especially AI considering ZFR also did it and was town.

Hmm, now I'm wondering if ZFR only did it in this game for consistency because he has something to hide.

Well, #1 we were right. So there's that ;)

ZFR, as he noted in that game, had done it in his prior game as town, which was his first game. So I believe he has now done it in every game, regardless of alignment and I think seem intent on making it his signature move, in the same way Trent/Dedo used to do that whole "BIMB" meme thing as their opening shtick.

I do think he's doing it for consistency for sure. Whether it's because he has something to hide this game or anticipates wanting it as an out in the future when he has something to hide then, IDK.

I find it annoying, but it is what it is.

Your last post shows '2 days ago'. Consider yourself prodded in the Roke and move it back into the game!

Fuck I hate the GOGforum. It just ate up a whole lengthy reply I wrote for trying to quote everyone in line, and now I don't feel like writing the whole thing again, but not posting the whole thing would be scummy and i realize this whole paragraph can be taken an excuse...

But seriously, fuck the GOGforum.

Anyway, I'll try to bulletpoint what I mentioned on the now deceased post:

- Cristigale, I believe "second in line" was about the situation where we decide to lynch a person, that person claims to be vengeful town, and we don't believe it (se we carry on the lynch anyway) but we still tell that user "hey, if you really are pro town and have that role, choose this other user to be lynched with you"

- Bler, I really don't enjoy your walls of text, but you do explain several mechanics I wouldn't have known otherwise (interesting stuff about questions, for example) so you get a pass.

- I've made my dislike of comparisons to previous games known, you guys can point at each other all you want using that as base but I won't take part on it. I refuse to read previous games.

- I don't like HSL voting for me, specially so as I never saw a reason for it. I believe everyone else at least bothered to give a reason, even if that reason was random (or a joke).

You're the only one that feels that way.




Unless you include literally everyone else.

I on the other hand believe meta-reads are not only okay, they're an essential part of a game of this sort.

With that in mind, I'm going to remove my random vote and go.

Vote Sirprimalform

I've seen both town and scum in previous games and I'm getting a gut-feeling that his current game is more similar to his previous scum game than his town game.

Other reads: HSL, scene seem Neutral (with a capital N), and Town feeling for bler. No strong feelings otherwise.

Incidentally: so the main avatar gets cropped, but the quote avatar stretched. Interesting.

GOG Galaxy is lousy for this game. I'm back on Chrome. Sorry for being AFK. Job interviews and school and whatnot.

He's a coward. He should be lynched. I'm amused that you find that suspicious.

I'd also like clarification on the ">randwolf RVS" phrase. RVS I think I remember. "randwolf"? Terminology that I haven't heard before?

Seems legit.

I like this. Reflects some of my feelings.

Again, sorry, life. Thanks for asking.
Leonard's stupid busy. Barely has time for our biweekly D&D campaign.



Still catching up. Will post again. Currently suspicious of bler, this doesn't strike me as typical for him.

16 minutes on the timer. This shouldn't merge.

I consider myself prodded. I will try not to let it happen again.

For all of you who don't care about my personal life, I hope to get internet put in either this or next week.

Amen, brother.

Is that a pass on his walls of text or a pass on his alignment? One is fundamentally concerning, the other is tangentially concerning.


My vote waits on clarification regarding "randwolf."

Can you explain your reads of Sirprimalform (scum)? HSL/Scene (Neutral)? Bler (town)? Thanks

Why The Mod is the only person who can reveal role info and game set up reliably. Lift also gave a strange answer when pressed on the set up of the Lyncher's 'Enemy', 'don't reveal PMs', why? I wasn't. I think I was right that the enemy is Town and this may make the Neutral Lyncher a little more cautious.

@Lift do you reveal who the enemy is when they are lynched?


Oh and as I highlighted I was the first player to question a suspicious post from ZFR, you haven't acknowledged your mistake here for some reason.

I'm only just reading about the parity cop and it's quite a weak role unless the parity cop plays a few rounds and gives his results. I suppose the benefit is you get 2 players reads in 1 turn. It perhaps makes it easier to breadcrumb in a closed structure but not so much in an open structure.

Still I disagree it doesn't matter if the Cop eventually gets killed after 2-3 nights if he can provide information through breadcrumbs. Getting the cop into the last round would be ideal, but unlikely. The most important thing is the info he can provide.

I can't parse that sentence. Can you clarify? Does it matter to you if the Cop is killed after 2-3 nights given that he provided some information through breadcrumbs?

IMO It's a much better scenario than the cop being killed without revealing anything, yes. A cop holding back and not breadcrumbing is taking a big chance that town get no solid info.

Not nitpicking, genuine question.


Not going anywhere; as I said - genuine question. The way you worded it read more as "too good to be true" than a good first impression, fullstop.


If I did, wouldn't you then call me out for doing so in an attempt to get your eyebrow down?


They do? Why? And what context are you referring to?


Is this how you'd play, hence you're neither since you're not playing this way? Or is it the way you think I'd play as either?