That's the spirit.

1. Apparently.
2. So...what does that do for you, exactly? You observed Ix/Joe last game and that tells you what in D1 of this game ... please do enlighten me. In your mind was it RVS, then? You don't appear to actually answer that.
3. Cristi kindly answered that for you in post #31, immediately after your vote for her.
4. Great question, though I didn't say he was scum specifically, did I? I believe I was clear that he appears to be signalling strongly non-town, but that's not necessarily = scum. Neutral wanting everyone to know he's neutral (which would be savvy, to a point), or mafia wanting to signal neutral, maybe. That's the range I'm currently assuming. Some of it is meta, certainly, which you wouldn't have access to, but there's a strong tactical component from my POV.

Though I prefer to say wolf > scum. I'll get more specific depending on if/how he responds to my question. While I believe in sharing, there's no point in asking him a question if I'm just going to tell him what I'm looking for, is there?
5. Scene is causing chaos and obsessing about mechanic related questions, which falls into a variety of suspect habits, the major flashing light (even for D1) being:

"Information instead of analysis"

All the role chatter coooooould potentially be fishing, though it's not very good if it is, or potentially signalling of some sort given that Lift implied strongly (#2) there's no mafia day-chat. It could be coming from a townie who's just a mess, neutral who wants to look busy enough to not get lynched but not threatening enough to eat an NK, or mafia who is...take your pick. His questions also tend to hint he's not one particular role, albeit there is some WIFOM there saving his bacon, and he wouldn't be the first player to completely misunderstand his own role PM.

In any case, the sum of what he's doing is really not pro-town.

As for you, this is a better effort. Really not a fan of that vote (too late to be RVS imo, way too nonsensical to be a meaningful vote, could signal timidness about challenging someone who's already present who might come back on you), and I could nitpick other posts and moreso the overall pattern, but considering you're a new player as I understand it's meh in the scheme of things if you do more of this and less of that, as things like this will allow you to be potentially read by other players as the game progresses, and most of what you did up to this point was just noise at best.

"This behavior tends to indicate mafia members attempting to look active but are failing to fake genuine scumhunting" applies to other tactics maf us besides IIoA to float through the game without having to do anything that might come back on them later. And you've been relatively present without doing anything that resembles legwork/analysis vis-a-vis other players. Thus at that point you were problematic imo, particularly for the vote.

1, 2. True on D1 with several players not posting and most actual posts jokes or mechanics related and only one game observed to reference there was very little for me to go on regarding any player. There was a slight hope of provoking some kind of reaction out of her with her response. So strictly speaking it was not RVS but there wasn't much feeling behind it.

3. Because RVS voting someone not in the game?

4. I re-read and see in an earlier post you're leaning lyncher on HSL. I see very little involvement at this point from HSL so I'm not sure how you can get any read on him. Please explain or is it past history?

5. Scene did this in the previous game as well. Is this a habit? Maybe there are legitimate questions. Seems risky to do it again otherwise.

My vote wasn't completely meaningless as stated above. I wanted to poke someone who I didn't know in hopes of getting a response and it didn't work or at least not a direct response. I can see the vote being weird but there wasn't much going on at the time to analyze.

Lurking is a real problem in this game.....it would be beneficial if there was a daily minimum post and wordcount.

On the face of it this is reasonable analysis. But you're reading HSL as none town on the basis of him making a joke and hardly saying anything on Page 1. You have also read every player after 1 page of nonsensical posting. This is far too early to gauge any meaningful analysis. You're also trying to start 2-3 wagons off, this does seem a little early in the day.

You then complain that Scene (Me) hasn't analysed anyone on page 1, when in fact there isn't anything to analyse other than random votes, which I did highlight in the case of ZFR and there were some jokes. That's all there is to analyse

So then you say the game set up analysis is not useful to town. I suggest reading the last game I will link you to below. If town had understood the roles better in this game they would have won. But instead the other faction won because they were given a pass. As a dead Mafia player I read up on the roles and realised what was happening from the sidelines. So no understanding the roles and motivations is not anti-town at all:

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_55_trouble_at_arstotzkan_boot_camp/page1

While much of this is true the fact remains Neutrals don't have an alliance to town and if town does indeed contain an 'enemy', at least 1 Neutral will look to misslynch him or her. Overall maybe it does help Neutrals to get rid of Scum in order to prevent night kills. But it isn't essential to their gameplan, survival alone is.

Doth the lady protest too much? No I don't think you're Neutral because your play would throw too much shade on you way too early and that makes you unlikely to survive. Ofcourse you could be Neutral Lyncher and taking a high risk strategy of targeting your enemy early. Not that likely, more likely to be Town or a Mafia player with only 1 buddy feeling that early misslynches is the only way to win.

Ofcourse they should. Perhaps we should have a discussion of second in line if Vengeful town shows up to be misslynchee?

Just had contact from Joe via other channels.

He said "bluh bluh bluh, I was off doing stupid stuff" (interpolated). Also he sent his apologies and a muffin basket which was delicious.

Yes. It's strange the things we remember. In a earlier game (Oakwood?), bler made an semi-serious vote on me because I RVS voted for the mod(i think). His rational was that he had done something similar when he was scum in a previous game. I wasn't scum, but if it was the Oakwood game, I was a neutral...so he may have been on to something. I thought as much when I saw agaent's vote this game. It felt awkward. This early in the game, you sometimes need to run with the small stuff, because there isn't anything major. It may be nothing but you have to start somewhere.

My vote on SPF was a tip-of-the-hat to his observation. Pure RVS. bler's was the only vote I've seen that appeared to be anything other than pure RVS. I wasn't suspicious of your vote but I thought bler's questions about it were good.

We do tend to start slow and I have often been part of that problem. Friday is the deadline so...

Vote agent

The opening vote felt forced.

@agent - glad to see you in a game, come and play with us. Does anything stand out to you so far? Off topic, how is Leonard? Haven't seen him around (although I have not been around much either).

Are you saying you ate all the muffins?! I'm tempted to re-vote you. ;-)

Perhaps I'm up too late, would you explain what you mean by 'second in line'?


So far I seem to be mind-melding with bler. Things that make you hmmmm...minimalist HSL.

Votes JoeSapphire. In the last game he was very lurky during the day when playing a seperate faction with access to Mafia night chat where he wasn't lurky. He might be a busy person but this maybe a tactic when he's uncomfortable with none town roles. Either way an innactive town player isn't particularly helpful.

I realise that's not going on much but I haven't see much to go on. My second choice would be Blu144 who has started aggressively but I tend to think it more likely to be town on town aggression trying to analyse the scraps we have here but it could also well be Scum or Neutral Lyncher trying to misslynch.

Joe actually has genuine RL reasons for not having shown up yet (not fictitious meetings ;P), so I wouldn't call this lurking at least not yet. At this stage with so little to go on it's as good as anything but I don't see this as lurking.

I... want my lawyer.

In which case as you know the RL Joe I will consider re-changing my vote. Because of the self hammer rule I felt the need to vote today even though there is little to go on.

VOTES Ixamyakxim to wake him or her out of their lurkyness

Yeah, unlike Joe I have no idea what's going on with Ix. I hope we don't need a replacement this early on!

Your jumping from one vote to another just to vote anyone reminds me of end of D1 last game.

A suggestion to breadcrumb for Town Cop. At the middle of Day 2 every poster including Town Cop lists their reads. Every poster claims they're sure of 1 poster whether true or not. That will make it very easy for Town Cop to breadcrumb their investigation result in case they're night killed or lynched.

The difference being in this game that it's an empty wagon and you have to vote or you self vote. Where as in game 55 I was looking to jump on an established misslynch wagon, rather too enthusiastically.

I held back on initially voting here to get more information. Little has come to light so I'm voting for lurkers and now I have only 1 1/2 days to vote. As I posted on the sign up thread 'what if someone loses internet'? This is a problem with the no vote = self vote system.

The problem with this is Ixamyakxim is probably simply not playing and I will probably move off that wagon if we get an active replacement. So perhaps I need to re-evaluate who is here and merely talking nonsense. But at the moment I'm at least not self voting.

I think I may change to Flub simply because he's a pokerface player. As confirmed town he plays scummy. As Scum he doesn't give any tells other than somewhat irrelevant posting, which is also a sympton of his Town game. As Town he generally doesn't come across as more helpful than as Scum.

LOL nice timing! And nope Primal, no need for a replacement just the beginning of the week is sort of my "lousy days" - doing a quick check in, taking a peek at what's going on and then back in full force the next couple of days.

After a quick runthrough of the thread looks like just some RVS and light hashing out of roles so far yes?

And bler well done with the first Day, real time day 2 list - damn you work that fast. I thought I played by the gut at times.