Lurking is a real problem in this game.....it would be beneficial if there was a daily minimum post and wordcount.
muddysneakers: 1. I voted cristigale because
she was a complete unknown.
2. All the other players had posted or I was able to observe them in the last game.
3. Why did you vote agent
4. and what makes you lean scum on HSL?
5. How are scene and I problematic?
bler144: That's the spirit.
1. Apparently.
2. So...what does that do for you, exactly? You observed Ix/Joe last game and that tells you what in D1 of this game ... please do enlighten me. In your mind was it RVS, then? You don't appear to actually answer that.
3. Cristi kindly answered that for you in post #31, immediately after your vote for her.
4. Great question, though I didn't say he was scum specifically, did I? I believe I was clear that he appears to be signalling strongly non-town, but that's not necessarily = scum. Neutral wanting everyone to know he's neutral (which would be savvy, to a point), or mafia wanting to signal neutral, maybe. That's the range I'm currently assuming. Some of it is meta, certainly, which you wouldn't have access to, but there's a strong tactical component from my POV.
Though I prefer to say wolf > scum. I'll get more specific depending on if/how he responds to my question. While I believe in sharing, there's no point in asking him a question if I'm just going to tell him what I'm looking for, is there?
5. Scene is causing chaos and obsessing about mechanic related questions, which falls into a variety of suspect habits, the major flashing light (even for D1) being:
"Information instead of analysis" All the role chatter coooooould potentially be fishing, though it's not very good if it is, or potentially signalling of some sort given that Lift implied strongly (#2) there's no mafia day-chat. It could be coming from a townie who's just a mess, neutral who wants to look busy enough to not get lynched but not threatening enough to eat an NK, or mafia who is...take your pick. His questions also tend to hint he's not one particular role, albeit there is some WIFOM there saving his bacon, and he wouldn't be the first player to completely misunderstand his own role PM.
In any case, the sum of what he's doing is really not pro-town.
As for you, this is a better effort. Really not a fan of that vote (too late to be RVS imo, way too nonsensical to be a meaningful vote, could signal timidness about challenging someone who's already present who might come back on you), and I could nitpick other posts and moreso the overall pattern, but considering you're a new player as I understand it's meh in the scheme of things if you do more of this and less of that, as things like this will allow you to be potentially read by other players as the game progresses, and most of what you did up to this point was just noise at best.
"This behavior tends to indicate mafia members attempting to look active but are failing to fake genuine scumhunting" applies to other tactics maf us besides IIoA to float through the game without having to do anything that might come back on them later. And you've been relatively present without doing anything that resembles legwork/analysis vis-a-vis other players. Thus at that point you were problematic imo, particularly for the vote.
On the face of it this is reasonable analysis. But you're reading HSL as none town on the basis of him making a joke and hardly saying anything on Page 1. You have also read every player after 1 page of nonsensical posting. This is far too early to gauge any meaningful analysis. You're also trying to start 2-3 wagons off, this does seem a little early in the day.
You then complain that Scene (Me) hasn't analysed anyone on page 1, when in fact there isn't anything to analyse other than random votes, which I did highlight in the case of ZFR and there were some jokes. That's all there is to analyse
So then you say the game set up analysis is not useful to town. I suggest reading the last game I will link you to below. If town had understood the roles better in this game they would have won. But instead the other faction won because they were given a pass. As a dead Mafia player I read up on the roles and realised what was happening from the sidelines. So no understanding the roles and motivations is not anti-town at all:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_55_trouble_at_arstotzkan_boot_camp/page1 supplementscene: In terms of numbers and this is important. There will be at least 4 players voting against towns interests and perhaps 5 depending on the number of witches (we know there are at least 2 depending on the number of Goons).
bler144: Errr...that's a dangerous assumption. Neutrals can be unpredictable depending on both the player and the game state. The lyncher is only anti-town if their target is town, which it may or may not be. If the lyncher's target is maf, the lyncher becomes pro-town, generally - assuming they play to that wincon rather than just trying to coast it out as neutral.
We've seen cases where maf have specifically co-opted neutrals (Leonard in the dungeon), but also cases where neutrals have played as committed pro-town (Tammy & cristi in doghavenwoodville) from start to end.
Also, consider that the presence of the vengeful town changes that calculus you're assuming pretty significantly.
While much of this is true the fact remains Neutrals don't have an alliance to town and if town does indeed contain an 'enemy', at least 1 Neutral will look to misslynch him or her. Overall maybe it does help Neutrals to get rid of Scum in order to prevent night kills. But it isn't essential to their gameplan, survival alone is.
Doth the lady protest too much? No I don't think you're Neutral because your play would throw too much shade on you way too early and that makes you unlikely to survive. Ofcourse you could be Neutral Lyncher and taking a high risk strategy of targeting your enemy early. Not that likely, more likely to be Town or a Mafia player with only 1 buddy feeling that early misslynches is the only way to win.
supplementscene: ................
flubbucket: So would you say a vengeful town should use their power or not??
Ofcourse they should. Perhaps we should have a discussion of second in line if Vengeful town shows up to be misslynchee?
