1. I would call them killing neutral fantastically lucky and killing themselves impossibly lucky. But the fact we're 4 town down and haven't lost any power roles? That's either extraordinarily lucky or it might mean we're underpowered.
2. After the refusal to claim I was sure we were right, but I guess that was just frustration. I'd say it was only late in the day that people were lining up to lynch him, seemingly mostly because of his hard and continuous pushing for a double lynch. I thought he was scummy earlier in D2 as well but for most of the day everyone else seemed pretty unconvinced.

That's got me thinking. Do you reckon scum were more likely to be on the wagon (I'm thinking around the middle, once they saw it as viable) or off the wagon (because once it looked inevitable there was no reason to dirty their hands)? I'm looking at Flub, P1na and Ix.

3. Well it did what it was meant to, kick off discussion on a day with a really slow start. :P

Hmm. I just applied this logic to EoD2 so it's not completely ludicrous. To be honest, I never really saw Joe as particularly scummy and I was kind of surprised when he was lynched. It could be because he's an old (and IRL) friend, but for the short time Joe was in the game I just saw "Joe being Joe". I'm curious why you're focusing on Joe's wagon by the way? As all three of us who were off Joe's wagon were on ZFRs and both flipped town. If Joe had been scum then I'd understand the focus.

Hmm, upon rereading the EoD2 this jumps out. That final sentence "But I'm still not voting for you" seems strange. If you're scum then you know ZFR to be town at that point. This post weirdly acknowledges good reasons for voting for ZFR and then vocally abstains. Didn't want to get your hands dirty?

It feels like not everyone is here yet... Hmm.

Hey, uh... it's great that you turned up for the beginning of the day and all, but that wasn't exactly a constructive post. Hopefully you're going to come back and make more. :P

Can you tell I'm at work with nothing to do?

Yeah, but a flubby one.

Stop talking about flubby dicks!

Okay I hope this isn't a bad time... I was breadcrumbing a power role. And trying to protect ZFR.

I... didn't want to get my hands dirty. I had copped Cristi and then ZFR as same. I really DIDN'T think I had gotten so lucky as to get two scum or BOTH Neutrals because that's just dumb. But when he did this I thought my "read" maybe was scummy. It wasn't - they're both obviously town. I begged you not to lynch him but at least cristi is legit at this point.

Muddy is NOT Same. But then I feel like muddy just basically just soft claimed neutral (twice says something to the effect of "if you lynch me today and I'm neutral, that's bad") and is right. If a three scum team we're screwed. I don't like it, I normally would policy lynch neutral (and I guess muddy *could* still be scum) but I don't know if we can risk it.

This was just a pop in before work. Mull it over. Hope I didn't screw up.

Heh.

Thanks. I suppose I could have worked it out for myself, but I wanted something stamped with the mod-stamp of approval.

Thanks!

I see Ixamyakxim just claimed. That provokes a lot of thoughts.

Everyone wants to hear what I have to say! I feel so special... :)

...and there's the claim. OK, that'll take a separate post to examine.

Passing through:

Can you link the post(s) or #s you're responding to, here? HSL may know what you're talking about, but I assume I'm not the only living player who could use a little more orientation as to what you're saying here and why.

There's a flaw in your premise, in that maf only NKed two. The other two we lynched, and might not have if they claimed PR. Right? 2/2 is far less notable than 4/4 selecting from a population in the range of 7-9. Neutral would have an advantage in being able to just go with the flow, wherever it leads as long as it's away from themselves.

I do think the choice of NK is interesting more for what it's not, than for what it is. I don't know exactly what to do with that observation, though.

Well. That's...something.

Popping in before work early on D3 under no voting pressure and with a limited result is probably not when I would have claimed town investigator, myself, but it is what it is for now. And on the bright side, we have time to work through it instead of a claim/scramble late in P2, I suppose.

The course of action would seem to be to see what mud has to say in response.


vote muddysneakers

Are you assuming no neutrals? Calling cristi town if she was neutral I would guess she'd def. reveal (and probably win in doing so), even if I agree she certainly looks townier than anyone else.

First vote of the day, consistent with his claim.

Gets off 15 posts later. Now convinced that muddysneakers is Neutral?

There's the full claim.

So this confirms cristigale as Town and muddysneakers as not Town (possibly Neutral, possibly Scum).

Doesn't it seem like the best strategy for scum!muddysneakers to claim Neutral? He's now effectively un-lynchable even while admitting that he's not Town. I'm not sure that we can "trust" his soft-claim of Neutrality.

But assuming that he is legitimately Neutral, there are two or three Scum in flubbucket, P1na, SirPrimalform, and bler144 (LAMIST!!!). That's... pretty good odds.

@Ixamyakxim - Why ZFR on N1?

I'm still high on flubbucket-is-Town and I still think the bler144-supplementscene interaction was Town-on-Town violence, hence P1na and SirPrimalform are Scum...?

I've been feel less good about P1na for a while now, so I'll

Vote P1na



As an aside:

I'm guessing VT means Vengeful Town in this paragraph? It's awfully confusing when that's also used to refer to Vanilla Town.

1. Except I have played in a large number of games where we lynched an important PR early on, so I consider the fact that our misses were 'only VT' to be lucky. You're not wrong about looking at what they weren't though, it might be possible spot someone being protected?

2. Ah, yes you're right, I was forgetting that possibility. Surely she wouldn't claim neutral if she was though?
Can you point to any more breadcrumbs? Things we might not have picked up on? Because the timing of this comes across as somewhat defensive, your two breadcrumbs are suspicious behaviour that you were being questioned on.

Can you tell us exactly who you investigated each night?

Evil double poster! Double posters are highly suspect! And double posting is very unhealthy. Consider yourself warned. The next rule break may lead to your sudden and irrevocable demise by modkill!

Wow, developments. Will check in when I reach my destination.