Well it's early days but quite a few players aren't doing any analysis
PoppyAppletree: ...MTTTXXX, ...
Lifthrasil: This entire post looks fishy. Role-fishy to be precise. Speculating about the setup on D1 doesn't yield anything for town ... so what are you trying to achieve with this? I'm starting to wonder, whether my RVS vote is exactly in the right place. Since the only ones who can gain something from an early role-discussion are scum. (i.e. a feeling for who might be a PR). ... If you disagree and see a benefit for town in the discussion you tried to trigger, then please enlighten us.
@trent: no, I'm not discounting the power of a confirmed towny. But it heavily depends on who the confirmed towny is and how actively he uses that 'being confirmed'. We'll have to see whether flubb can fill your shoes. :-)
@flubb: that was a call to you to drop your usual inscrutability. There is no point in this game for you to be unreadable. Everyone knows what you are anyhow.
@mod: could you please hunt Hunter and chase him into the game? He's still missing.
I'm not sure it's necessarily fishy but I'm not sure analysing it helps towns chances either. We simply can't know Scums numbers until at end game or near end game. If the game is over after 2 or 3 Scum are killed or it's still ongoing after killing 3 Scum, yes only then do we know that there are 4 Scum. Presumably if there are more Scum it's balanced by giving us more roles anyway.
So in that sense I get that you're trying to insinuate thar Poppy maybe distracting Town in this post. And in Posts 56 and 57 @Bookwyrm and @dedoporno seem to be reading that too. I'm not sure that's the case but I do want her to explain what she hopes to find with this and the 'I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that'
gogtrial34987: I doubted I'd have, when I posted, as it was the very weakest of pushes, for what almost certainly was nothing at all (but the only ever so slightly significant interaction at the time - so at least an attempt to get some balls rolling), and Poppy's response sounded pretty pure - but scanning ahead to scene's reply, well, that does seem to be dodging a bit, doesn't it? Am having guests over in a minute, so no time to pursue just now, but I'll probably return to it later today if no one beats me to it.
(And, FWIW, I distinctly recall ZFR deliberately overemphasizing his newbie status in a recent couple of games, so it wouldn't surprise me that much if scene also went that route.)
I've actually only played Mafia once and there was no early reveal in that game. The early reveal is quite important to our chances. Ie is it true? I think we have to play as if it is true. After thinking about it I realise ZFR can't reveal a player each round because Town would win by default with an overweighted level of information.
My thinking was though that the twists seemingly happen in all games. So I thought the twist could be players identities are randomly revealed instead of a detective revealing them? I assumed ZFR could make that 'twist' if he so decided. But that would break the game imo.
The other similar game I played was Secret Mafia btw with different rule sets. I have been interested in the dynamic of playing both games in person for a while now.
I do expect to perform better this game as I was a largely responsible for town losing last game. Reading and re-reading the thread while asking plenty of questions of players motives without being too certain in the conclusions I draw seems the best strategy.
dedoporno: What's the point behind all this exactly?
PoppyAppletree: To provide a framework for scumhunting. It's easy to get boxed in by assumptions like "13 players means 3 scum", like was seen in #53.
Dessimu: My experience: things hardly ever are the way you assume them to be. Assumptions are misleading.
PoppyAppletree: I can't help but think that you deliberately misread my post.
supplementscene: Poppy seems very helpful and friendly so lynching her would be a little mean anyway.
PoppyAppletree: Well that's a death sentence if I ever heard one. :P
supplementscene: I'd like to hear Poppy's explanation before potentially changing my vote as her analysis has been of a high quality otherwise. I still prefer Dessimu at this moment in time but I may switch wagon depending on how things unfold.
PoppyAppletree: I think you're reading too much into a flippant response to a lazy accusation.
supplementscene: Have you seen something I haven't seen? If so what? Is this based on a prior game?
PoppyAppletree: It's based on my general evaluation of his playstyle from other games, yes, but I'm not going to dig up previous games for examples - that's not my style.
Lifthrasil: This entire post looks fishy. Role-fishy to be precise. Speculating about the setup on D1 doesn't yield anything for town ... so what are you trying to achieve with this? I'm starting to wonder, whether my RVS vote is exactly in the right place. Since the only ones who can gain something from an early role-discussion are scum. (i.e. a feeling for who might be a PR). ... If you disagree and see a benefit for town in the discussion you tried to trigger, then please enlighten us.
PoppyAppletree: Well, yes, in a sense it is role-fishy, since working out how many scum we might expect yields information about their potential roles. If you've a problem with that, so be it - I don't think it harms the Town to be aware of the potential dangers, and since it's a semi-open setup it's not blind speculation the way it would be for a closed setup. I've stated that I don't think extensive setup discussions benefit the Town, so I purposefully limited myself to the question of how many scum there are. Analysing players' posts should always be the main focus of play, and I don't want to distract from that too much.
Dessimu: I am still reading into situation.
PoppyAppletree: Well that's certainly helpful.
But surely you'd agree that there is no way for us to know how many Scum are playing or what roles could be apparent?
And you're saying Hypersomniac is posting in a similar manner to how he posted as mafia in the past? Is it the early aggression towards you or the irrelevant reason for voting?
Sorry to hear about your friend anyway and any absense will be completely understandable.
