It seems that you're using an outdated browser. Some things may not work as they should (or don't work at all).
We suggest you upgrade newer and better browser like: Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer or Opera

×
Community
General discussionGOG Mafia #55 - Trouble at Arstotzkan Boot Camp(1211 posts)(1211 posts)
(1211 posts)
Pages:
1
10
20
30
40
41
42
43
44
45
60
70
81
This is my favourite topic
Posted September 28, 2018
avatar
gogtrial34987: Swift catch up. I'll intend to do a regular detailed response later today, if on a thorough reread I find that I have things to question and/or respond to still.
I can't imagine Joe being scene's buddy either. Not so much for the EoD hammer call (though that strengthens it), as for the way he stayed on the wagon all the way to the end. It would've been trivial for him to state "my vote was RVS, and I'm not yet convinced enough about scene to stay on". Instead he did an 'explicit' (well, for Joe-standards) "I'm good where I am" post once scene's wagon took off. ('course, he could be SK-scum, but that still basically goes for everyone.)
I've had Lift and SPF as possible scum buddies bussing, but Lift got taken out of the running, and Vitek does make a compelling argument on SPF's townness. (@trent, @bookwyrm, @flub: do you find Vitek's argument to be solid as well?)

scene+Vitek+SPF? that would make sense perhaps with the early scene/Poppy interactions. (I imagine Vitek's scum game is near flawless?) Wouldn't expect the Vitek-SPF interactions from scum, but that might of course be why they'd play like that. Need to ponder this - it feels too shiny.

I find the scene+HSL+Joe concept intriguing as well. I think I recall both Joe pushing on HSL, as HSL pushing on Joe, but no real interactions. (Reread fodder.)

Are there roles / possible twists that would fit with Ixam just ignoring everything being asked of him? mchack and Joe have now put him in their "could lynch" category as well, but everyone else keeps ignoring him as much as he keeps ignoring all of us.

trent: yes, that's indeed what I was wanting. So you see SPF's reaction there as town?
1. Vitek makes a good point, when HSL started the new wagon on SPF scene was quick to jump on it and I don't see scum jumping on a wagon for a lynch on one of their teammates at EOD like that. It gives slight town points for SPF in that regard. Scene could have realized that the lynch of SPF would probably not happen but wanted to have another wagon for people to focus on instead of him even if it was his buddy, but I'm not sure scene's scum game is that advanced.

2. SPF's reactions seemed natural and not forced, but that is not alignment indicative as even scum in that instance would react the same way as scene's behavior and actions were screaming "I'm scum that's lying" and his buddies would know they needed to react that way.
Posted September 28, 2018
Have some posts been deleted? The post numbers at the beginning of a page aren't matching up like usual.
Posted September 28, 2018
Huh. Post 474 is missing.

No help for it now, I guess. Back to the game.
Posted September 28, 2018
avatar
Bookwyrm627: Huh. Post 474 is missing.

No help for it now, I guess. Back to the game.
that is weird indeed.
I can't find any quote of it either (and scene used to quote extensively which would help greatly here. but nothing.)
nor anything in google-cache or wayback-machine. guess it's lost (unless someone took notes and could shed light what kind of post there was? (if ever there was one and it's not just some forum software bug from doublepost merging or something...)
Posted September 28, 2018
avatar
mchack: *edit "before" post: ok this didn't go through (too big or format errors?)
FYI: I believe the GOG forum has a 10,000 character limit for a single post.

avatar
Ixamyakxim: LOL - friends don't let friends drunk post Mafia ;) Though I'm guilty of violating that rule right now. I actually kind of like this post. You get the slow obvious clap for saying you like Flub (heh) and PrimalForm and while I may argue with some of your other picks for Town / Scum your reasoning isn't awful. In fact, your "hit list" of possible mafia / town reads almost like something that I'd post if I were trying to suss out iterations of possible teams
At risk of sounding foolish...who are you addressing in this section of your post?

avatar
gogtrial34987: SPF's townness. (@trent, @bookwyrm, @flub: do you find Vitek's argument to be solid as well?)
I've already stated my opinion that I don't think SPF is mafia. He's a pretty good candidate for SK if there is one, otherwise I'm inclined to believe he's town.

avatar
Bookwyrm627: Huh. Post 474 is missing.

No help for it now, I guess. Back to the game.
avatar
mchack: that is weird indeed.
I can't find any quote of it either (and scene used to quote extensively which would help greatly here. but nothing.)
nor anything in google-cache or wayback-machine. guess it's lost (unless someone took notes and could shed light what kind of post there was? (if ever there was one and it's not just some forum software bug from doublepost merging or something...)
*shrug* Wouldn't be double-post merging; the post numbering isn't bothered by that (Scene's "edited" post works as confirmation here).
Posted September 28, 2018
avatar
Bookwyrm627: Huh. Post 474 is missing.

No help for it now, I guess. Back to the game.
Didn't we get a bot randomly post in the thread a few pages back? I reported it as spam, I'm guessing if others did too then the forum might have eaten it.
Posted September 28, 2018
avatar
Bookwyrm627: Huh. Post 474 is missing.

No help for it now, I guess. Back to the game.
avatar
SirPrimalform: Didn't we get a bot randomly post in the thread a few pages back? I reported it as spam, I'm guessing if others did too then the forum might have eaten it.
That makes the most sense as to what happened, I can’t find the bot post anymore.
Posted September 28, 2018
avatar
SirPrimalform: I reported it as spam, I'm guessing if others did too then the forum might have eaten it.
there we go. You're at fault :P problem solved. (no reason to go shaving your head now though....)
Posted September 28, 2018
avatar
SirPrimalform: Didn't we get a bot randomly post in the thread a few pages back? I reported it as spam, I'm guessing if others did too then the forum might have eaten it.
That would explain it. I don't recall seeing a bot post, so it was probably gone before I ever saw it.
Posted September 28, 2018
avatar
gogtrial34987: ...........

@flub: do you find Vitek's argument to be solid as well?)

...........
Yes.
Posted September 28, 2018
avatar
gogtrial34987: I've observed HSL quite a lot since I first started playing. That still doesn't mean I'll read him correctly (as I reread a bit of #52 to get a better bearing on mchack, I also remembered that I bought HSL's scum game there until the very end), but his nitpicking at least is regular play. I have him as a slight scum lean due to that nitpicking feeling a bit ... restrained to me in this game compared to previous ones (though at the same time more vehement than I'm used to? (I hope that makes sense; he doesn't follow through as much as I'd expect, yet he stabs deeper or something...)). To be fair, I could plausibly feel that just because I haven't been on the receiving end so much, or maybe it's the feeling under the weather thing which he mentioned in one of the recent posts that I've only skimmed so far.
avatar
Vitek: Thanks. I am most interested if it is usual that there seem to be fairly little amount of conclusions drawn from those question as here it seems there is quite a lot of it but they are rarely followed by any action (not necessary vote but at least calling someone scummy).
I find it difficult to say this with any degree of certainty, but yes, I'd say it's usual. That is, his habit, as it has come across to me, is to not share his conclusions until very late. The only thing where I can say his behaviour is unusual, is that when he is cross-examining someone, he tends to easily go back and forth with them three, four or more times. What I've observed in this game (as I recall it, haven't made notes or reread), is that it tends to stop after just one or two iterations - excepting for SPF, where it was way more than usual.

avatar
gogtrial34987: I'm guessing that if I give you scumpoints for this, you're just going to follow HSL's playbook and claim your scum game is much more advanced than that, eh?
*gives you scumpoints anyway*
avatar
mchack: That was simply a reference to the conversation you had with HSL.
Heh. So much for me being observant. (Yep, it checks out, you used the same words.)

avatar
mchack: I'll gladly take scumpoints from you for pointing it out, but it is obvious to anyone anyway. You appear to be even less scummy than flub and he is confirmed by the mod. That's no small feat. Have you even been scumread once this game?
By scene. :P And Bookwyrm found my D2 start of day post scummy.

avatar
trentonlf: 1. Vitek makes a good point
...
2. SPF's reactions seemed natural and not forced
avatar
Bookwyrm627: I've already stated my opinion that I don't think SPF is mafia.
avatar
gogtrial34987: @flub: do you find Vitek's argument to be solid as well?)
avatar
flubbucket: Yes.
Welp... *tosses both his "SPF is mafia" and extended "scene+Vitek+SPF team" shiny theories in the trash*
At least I've learned not to vote on my wild fantasies of amazingly competent mafia tactics, and to get some outside views on them before endgame decisions have to be made.

I guess that means I'm back at Ixam, HSL (+ Joe?) and mchack as the primary people to look at. I don't know how to go about analyzing Ixam, I like mchack's answers, and I'm not at all convinced about either HSL or Joe.

@HSL, @trent, @Vitek: What are you waiting for with your votes?
Posted September 28, 2018
avatar
Ixamyakxim: LOL - friends don't let friends drunk post Mafia ;) Though I'm guilty of violating that rule right now. I actually kind of like this post. You get the slow obvious clap for saying you like Flub (heh) and PrimalForm and while I may argue with some of your other picks for Town / Scum your reasoning isn't awful. In fact, your "hit list" of possible mafia / town reads almost like something that I'd post if I were trying to suss out iterations of possible teams
avatar
Bookwyrm627: At risk of sounding foolish...who are you addressing in this section of your post?
Yeah I quoted weird - it was to mchack - and me ;)

avatar
gogtrial34987: @HSL, @trent, @Vitek: What are you waiting for with your votes?
Maybe one is scum and they're waiting to see if they can 1) split the wagon into 2 and drag it out (HSL and mchack) or 2) shift it over to me and jump on?
Posted September 28, 2018
avatar
Vitek: Thanks. I am most interested if it is usual that there seem to be fairly little amount of conclusions drawn from those question as here it seems there is quite a lot of it but they are rarely followed by any action (not necessary vote but at least calling someone scummy).
avatar
gogtrial34987: I find it difficult to say this with any degree of certainty, but yes, I'd say it's usual. That is, his habit, as it has come across to me, is to not share his conclusions until very late. The only thing where I can say his behaviour is unusual, is that when he is cross-examining someone, he tends to easily go back and forth with them three, four or more times. What I've observed in this game (as I recall it, haven't made notes or reread), is that it tends to stop after just one or two iterations - excepting for SPF, where it was way more than usual.

avatar
mchack: That was simply a reference to the conversation you had with HSL.
avatar
gogtrial34987: Heh. So much for me being observant. (Yep, it checks out, you used the same words.)

avatar
mchack: I'll gladly take scumpoints from you for pointing it out, but it is obvious to anyone anyway. You appear to be even less scummy than flub and he is confirmed by the mod. That's no small feat. Have you even been scumread once this game?
avatar
gogtrial34987: By scene. :P And Bookwyrm found my D2 start of day post scummy.

avatar
trentonlf: 1. Vitek makes a good point
...
2. SPF's reactions seemed natural and not forced
avatar
gogtrial34987:
avatar
flubbucket: Yes.
avatar
gogtrial34987: Welp... *tosses both his "SPF is mafia" and extended "scene+Vitek+SPF team" shiny theories in the trash*
At least I've learned not to vote on my wild fantasies of amazingly competent mafia tactics, and to get some outside views on them before endgame decisions have to be made.

I guess that means I'm back at Ixam, HSL (+ Joe?) and mchack as the primary people to look at. I don't know how to go about analyzing Ixam, I like mchack's answers, and I'm not at all convinced about either HSL or Joe.

@HSL, @trent, @Vitek: What are you waiting for with your votes?
I didn’t have a chance last night to do a thourough ISO of the people I suspect (and I can’t on my phone that I am on most of the time), but I will tonight and will be placing my vote then too.
Posted September 28, 2018
avatar
gogtrial34987: @HSL, @trent, @Vitek: What are you waiting for with your votes?
avatar
Ixamyakxim: Maybe one is scum and they're waiting to see if they can 1) split the wagon into 2 and drag it out (HSL and mchack) or 2) shift it over to me and jump on?
If one of these three is scum, which one do you think it is?
Posted September 28, 2018
avatar
Bookwyrm627: At risk of sounding foolish...who are you addressing in this section of your post?
avatar
Ixamyakxim: Yeah I quoted weird - it was to mchack - and me ;)

avatar
gogtrial34987: @HSL, @trent, @Vitek: What are you waiting for with your votes?
avatar
Ixamyakxim: Maybe one is scum and they're waiting to see if they can 1) split the wagon into 2 and drag it out (HSL and mchack) or 2) shift it over to me and jump on?
Which one of those do you expect to be scum and what makes you think they could be planning your quick lynch of all people?
Pages:
1
10
20
30
40
41
42
43
44
45
60
70
81
This is my favourite topic
Community
General discussionGOG Mafia #55 - Trouble at Arstotzkan Boot Camp(1211 posts)(1211 posts)
(1211 posts)