Posted September 27, 2018
my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
Bookwyrm627
ADD Jumping Bean
Registered: Nov 2013
From United States
Posted September 27, 2018
Nonsense. Seat 4 is right around Seat 3 for hot seat scumminess. But neither one compares to Seat 6 for putting down the hammer, and if I'm in Seat 3 OR Seat 4, then I'm not in Seat 6!
HypersomniacLive
The Reluctant Voter
Registered: Sep 2011
From Vatican City
Posted September 27, 2018
OK, I see a number of things that caught my eye have already been commented on or questioned by somebody else in the way I wanted to, like Lifthrasil's possible breadcrumb on clearing of Vitek, and Bookwyrm627's insistence Vitek votes when he himself hadn't placed a vote, so that's covered.
Bookwyrm627: [...] My vote is legit and occurred when I finished catching up on the thread. Some of the reasoning behind my vote is not appropriate to reveal right now, but will be available at a later point in time. [...] So, what was your reasoning behind your legitimate vote on Vitek at the time? Or hasn't that point in time come yet? If not, why not?
I fail to see what the value in mentioning Dessimu (Ixamyakxim) along with the other two is, since we all know what his circumstances were (are), and you yourself said that his vote on Vitek was a null read (post #248). I mean, if your intention was to merely make a votes list (heh), shouldn't he be in a category of his own?
Bookwyrm627: [...] HSL, Post 480: HSL makes a statement instead of just asking questions. He's mostly been just asking questions on D2. [...] Don't quite see what your point's supposed to be.
And why was it so important to be the hammer? To paraphrase dedoporno - if I were a very cynical person I'd say that the reason was to be able to list yourself among those on his wagon on both Days, especially after mchack having cleared as confirmed town the Lifthrasil, SirPrimalform and Bookwyrm627 trio.
Bookwyrm627: [...] I don't see HSL and SPF as mafia buddies; if one is mafia, the other very likely isn't. If their recent fighting happens to be M/M, then I hope it ends soon because the theatre is getting a little tedious. [...] Seems like you don't consider the case it may be v/v. Could you elaborate on why?
Heh.
Seeing the force and sort of arguments mchack uses against me, I'd clear him as town, if it weren't for a small chat we had before game #54 started, and how that went for scum!him in that game. So, I'm keeping this in mind, but I'm inclined to go with leaning town for now.
As for Ixamyakxim, he has even less posts than Dessimu had when he dropped off, which he spent mostly talking game setup and not answering questions before he jumped on the mchack wagon based on Vitek's analysis.
A bump would be appreciated.
I fail to see what the value in mentioning Dessimu (Ixamyakxim) along with the other two is, since we all know what his circumstances were (are), and you yourself said that his vote on Vitek was a null read (post #248). I mean, if your intention was to merely make a votes list (heh), shouldn't he be in a category of his own?
And why was it so important to be the hammer? To paraphrase dedoporno - if I were a very cynical person I'd say that the reason was to be able to list yourself among those on his wagon on both Days, especially after mchack having cleared as confirmed town the Lifthrasil, SirPrimalform and Bookwyrm627 trio.
Heh.
Seeing the force and sort of arguments mchack uses against me, I'd clear him as town, if it weren't for a small chat we had before game #54 started, and how that went for scum!him in that game. So, I'm keeping this in mind, but I'm inclined to go with leaning town for now.
As for Ixamyakxim, he has even less posts than Dessimu had when he dropped off, which he spent mostly talking game setup and not answering questions before he jumped on the mchack wagon based on Vitek's analysis.
A bump would be appreciated.
HypersomniacLive
The Reluctant Voter
Registered: Sep 2011
From Vatican City
Posted September 27, 2018
Since then it is a lot of questions, some reactions to questions of others and sometimes some side-mention of thing Joe finds odd and seem to rarely lack any follow-up.
Funny, I'm starting to consider the same. Partly because of things I've thought over while lying sick, and partly because his reaction to me calling him out seems more on the OMGUS side as time goes on, and he keeps falling over himself to prove he's doing some serious scum-hunting. Keeping it in mind for now.
You decided that those off supplementscene's D1 wagon were suspect, while those on it weren't until proven otherwise, and that based solely on his flip. I didn't, and I still don't see it that way; being on the wagon had a lot more value for scum on D1, and if off the wagon, drawing as little attention as possible was key.
Getting his wagon to the station as quickly as possible on D2, doesn't tell us anything, as everybody and their cat would appear eager to lynch him, and by not wanting other interactions you're limiting yourself to whatever weight and value the D1 ones had without any additional information/context.
Just to be clear, you can scum-read me all you want, I'm just pointing out that choosing the path you did, you're being short-sighted. I'm with gogtrial34987 on this.
That's fine, but my position remains that it was anti-town, either deliberately or accidentally. [...]
These is the sort of posts that make me miss bler144.
I'm torn between being insulted and amused you seriously think that my scum-play is that bad, and I'd be that obvious were I supplementscene's buddy. But I hope the two of you like crow as much as Bookwyrm627.
Bookwyrm627
ADD Jumping Bean
Registered: Nov 2013
From United States
Posted September 27, 2018
The part that was not appropriate to reveal at the time was that I didn't want to have only a single wagon at EOD; I wanted at least two wagons that looked viable so we could see what people did with them, instead of people going "Well he's the only thing going and we need a lynch, so...".
As stated at the time, I was content with lynching Poppy (via Vitek) or Supplement.
Doing the hammer myself is important to me because I like killing you people.
It's nice when business and pleasure coincide.
Alas, business and pleasure do not always coincide.
Can't afford to bus your other scum buddy? :)
my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted September 27, 2018
That's fine, but my position remains that it was anti-town, either deliberately or accidentally. [...]
I think you're mafia and I think thus I think it was deliberately anti-town, but I was stating my opinion that I think it was anti-town regardless of intent.
If you're having to resort to nit-picking it tells me you probably don't have a better defence. :P
So why is it mostly you addressing scene and telling him what to do and what not to do?
my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
mchack
more than enough!
Registered: Dec 2014
From Germany
Posted September 27, 2018
1. The wording Doctor Townie is one that is only used in the example vanilla pm as "Vanilla Townie" but all the other roles read Town Doctor, Town Cop, Town Vigilante etc. in the wiki. That in itself is inconclusive, but it wasn't the only point.
2. Leaving out whether he could self protect or not, saying the pm didn't specify and
3. claiming he copied his pm to thread and not a paraphrasation. That's where the prove lies. 2) is the second huge point suggesting it's fake and 3) is the ultimate prove of it. Either it's fake or he would get a modkill.
So no I don't think I should have had no idea if it's true or not. It was clearly fake. hence I voted no other reasons needed.
It also doesn't matter if I had reasons to vote him before or not. it's a single turning point, he could just aswell have claimed scum. And then I wouldn't look at his former posts trying to concoct some reasons on why I could vote him. No claiming scum is enough to get a vote. Just as fake claiming is.
As for pm talk in general, I completely am with you. It's bad. Remember last game, scum had less information to claim. We didn't have flavour names (we were all ditto) but town did. I thought it was unfair because fake claiming was much harder for scum than for town (lift and flub did a great job though) because we all had the same name and claiming some random pokemon was dangerous because someone might already have the same, or the same quality (water, fire, whatever) so real treacherous.
But all this was not the case here. There was no information deficit for anyone. Everything I based my accusation on scene on was public knowledge. He just messed up and got lynched for it. I don't see any reason why I should be lynched now for calling him out. seriously, I do not get it.
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soo, good scum play, I guess. *shrug*
trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
Posted September 27, 2018
1. The wording Doctor Townie is one that is only used in the example vanilla pm as "Vanilla Townie" but all the other roles read Town Doctor, Town Cop, Town Vigilante etc. in the wiki. That in itself is inconclusive, but it wasn't the only point.
2. Leaving out whether he could self protect or not, saying the pm didn't specify and
3. claiming he copied his pm to thread and not a paraphrasation. That's where the prove lies. 2) is the second huge point suggesting it's fake and 3) is the ultimate prove of it. Either it's fake or he would get a modkill.
So no I don't think I should have had no idea if it's true or not. It was clearly fake. hence I voted no other reasons needed.
It also doesn't matter if I had reasons to vote him before or not. it's a single turning point, he could just aswell have claimed scum. And then I wouldn't look at his former posts trying to concoct some reasons on why I could vote him. No claiming scum is enough to get a vote. Just as fake claiming is.
As for pm talk in general, I completely am with you. It's bad. Remember last game, scum had less information to claim. We didn't have flavour names (we were all ditto) but town did. I thought it was unfair because fake claiming was much harder for scum than for town (lift and flub did a great job though) because we all had the same name and claiming some random pokemon was dangerous because someone might already have the same, or the same quality (water, fire, whatever) so real treacherous.
But all this was not the case here. There was no information deficit for anyone. Everything I based my accusation on scene on was public knowledge. He just messed up and got lynched for it. I don't see any reason why I should be lynched now for calling him out. seriously, I do not get it.
For now
Unvote mchack. I need to ISO him again and a couple of other people.
Vitek
Master of Karate and friendship for everyone
Registered: Apr 2009
From British Indian Ocean Territory
Posted September 27, 2018
In my eyes I can see why someone would not suspect scene D1 and would want him dead D2 when he wasn't modkilled nor offed at night so I wouldn't have much problems with that.
But it is also true that the post was made very soon after Day as if it was prepared in advanced and I would agree that there it doesn't feel right and like something planned.
ZFR
I love gold!
Registered: Jan 2010
From Ireland
Posted September 27, 2018
Vote Count
mchack - 3: xxxyakimxxx, flubbucket, Bookwyrm
HypersomniacLive - 2: SPF, mchack
Vitek - 1: Joe
Not voting - 4: gogtrial, HSL, trent, Vitek
10 players. 6 to lynch
mchack - 3: xxxyakimxxx, flubbucket, Bookwyrm
HypersomniacLive - 2: SPF, mchack
Vitek - 1: Joe
Not voting - 4: gogtrial, HSL, trent, Vitek
10 players. 6 to lynch
Vitek
Master of Karate and friendship for everyone
Registered: Apr 2009
From British Indian Ocean Territory
Posted September 28, 2018
Yeah, you prick. How would you like it if someone was constantly modifying your username on purpose? Hm? That wouldn't be so awesome, would it?
Next time think about it before you do it again, SirpRimaLform.
If you still desire it, you can call me Clive. I won't mind at all.
SirPrimalform: I wouldn't necessarily say it earns him scum points, but it certainly doesn't earn him townie points (from me at least). It's far to easy to imagine the scum strategy would involve bussing scene today so I don't think that kicking off the wagon counts for much. That's not to say he doesn't earn scum points for the other things I noted. Gotcha.
If only I could remember what my questions were related to without going abck to check.
Only the lowliest of low would do such kind of harrassment so obviously he didn't.
Next time think about it before you do it again, SirpRimaLform.
If you still desire it, you can call me Clive. I won't mind at all.
If only I could remember what my questions were related to without going abck to check.
Only the lowliest of low would do such kind of harrassment so obviously he didn't.
Vitek
Master of Karate and friendship for everyone
Registered: Apr 2009
From British Indian Ocean Territory
Posted September 28, 2018
It was supposed to be "usually lacks any follow-up".
HSL, clearing himself since 605.
1. The wording Doctor Townie is one that is only used in the example vanilla pm as "Vanilla Townie" but all the other roles read Town Doctor, Town Cop, Town Vigilante etc. in the wiki. That in itself is inconclusive, but it wasn't the only point.
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* Not to be mistaken with Clive's Rusty Ladders.