Posted September 16, 2018
my name is catte
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ZFR
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trentonlf
Easily amused
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Posted September 16, 2018
Right now it’s 7:25pm CEST, so however that translates to BST
my name is catte
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dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
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Posted September 16, 2018
supplementscene: In the past I've made posts and analysis, forgot them and not included them in later analysis. I now have a saved copy of my analysis. This is kind of the opposite of Scum isn't it? A thorough analysis of each player. Choose to believe it's me playing LAMIST if you want but from a gaming perspective it suits Town not Scum to have thorough analysis.
If you're Town I get where you're coming from with this but what you say is untrue. Having thorough analysis of others as scum can be equally or even more powerful as scum since proper preparation and data makes it easier to catch Town mistakes and use them against them. Scum can definitely gain from it but it takes time and effort and they don't have to rely on it. I think someone actually did this in a past game (may it was Bookwyrm or adalia, can't recall) - as some sort of Scum they spent so much time digging "useful" data and investing resources that were more helpful to the Town. So yeah, I happens and it doesn't automatically grant credit. HypersomniacLive: I usually do, unless the game's already moved out of RVS by the time I make my first post.
Really? I'm not opposing this, honestly asking. My impression of you is pretty much what gogtrial wrote - you don't vote until very late, often at the very last moment hence no RVS votes. I guess I'm wrong about that. HypersomniacLive: I've noticed that you're often skipping questions, and need be asked again, or seem not to carefully read what others are asking you or replying to you, and I wonder - is this some sort of strategy, some sort of laziness, or do you perhaps have a condition that interferes with your reading and/or attention focus ability?
If I was a cynical man I'd have thought that he didn't need to read because he knew all he needed to know in terms of player alignments. But I'm not that cynical, so I won't.PoppyAppletree
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Posted September 16, 2018
PoppyAppletree: [...] Analysing these games takes long enough without them becoming a recursive nightmare of internal references to other plays. [...]
HypersomniacLive: Here's the thing though -this is like the third comment you made about my play, comments that you yourself are basing on other games, as you admitted. So you've basically already done the pointless drudgery of digging up and going through other games, and now refuse to share whatever evidence you believe to have found and just bring them into the current one in a half baked way that doesn't allow anyone to verify your claims. HypersomniacLive: All the while you had no trouble to go and dig up that post of cristigale from game #53 to support your well-documented objection.
I'm beginning to suspect you lack either a sense of humour, or have a poor grasp of irony. PoppyAppletree: [...] I don't think scene is the only one with some doubts about flub's status. I'm 90% sure it's true, but I read "twist" as a bastard element, so it leads me to question the announcement. [...]
HypersomniacLive: Emm... excuse me, is your name supplementscene? I'd appreciate it if in the future you refrained from answering questions addressed to others, at least until they answer themselves. PoppyAppletree: [...] I read "twist" as a bastard element, so it leads me to question the announcement. [...]
HypersomniacLive: If you think that the "twist" is the bastard element of the mod lying to us about the Innocent Child, then what's to say that any and all flips we get won't also be a lie? Or do you see that differently? Would you go as far as doubting that the mod's truthful about anything he posts? PoppyAppletree: [...] I mostly wanted to spark conversation and get people thinking about the C9++ setup. I think it's totally fine for those thoughts to be kept quiet at this stage, as long as people are thinking about it. [...]
HypersomniacLive: Why would you assume that people weren't thinking about the setup before you started talking about it, or that people needed you (or anyone) to get them to think about it? HypersomniacLive: Also, you said "mostly" - what else did you want to achieve by getting into all that?
That's the way I [url=https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/91b7/0391ce2286f81b02f374a184ed2cf5c972ef.pdf]talk. If you're going to pick me up every time I use a qualifier, it's going to get tedious fast. For fun, I've underlined every time I use either soft language or qualifiers in this post and in the quotes you've highlighted. Let's skip these particular nitpicks in future, I don't think they're constructive. PoppyAppletree: [...] I think you'll just have to take it as a gut read that Lift's segue from RVS to a serious vote is scummy. [...]
HypersomniacLive: In post #72 you said: [...] this pattern of picking a player for RVS and then conveniently building that into real suspicion is your scum play, Lift.
Which is it, a pattern you've observed, or a gut read?
PoppyAppletree: Just a quick note about this: I'm talking here about scene's posts having a buddying feel, not that I detected buddying between Lift and scene. As stated, I need to iso their interactions.
HypersomniacLive: I'll try to do my own ISO later today, so I'm even more interested in the results of yours. Was your initial feeling that supplementscene was buddying and Lifthrasil was distancing, or just the former? Granted.
JoeSapphire
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Posted September 16, 2018
Hello! I'm back.
Sorry for your loss dessimu. Best wishes to you and your family.
I'm not in the best position to post right now, but I'll try to remember some things I thought as I read.
I feel like I trust poppy: her initial talk of possible roles was useful for me as I haven't read much about then setup yet, and it's good for everybody to be on the same page. She also finished by saying the re doesn't need to be any further discussion. Seems fair to me.
Lift was agressive, was he the first to move out of random-voting-stage? Either way his play set off alarm bells that I felt on Goglactica #53, but put it down to Lifthrasil's play style. Hm. But I get the impression he's backed off a little, which he didn't seem to do as scum. I'll need to read over to check that.
I object to supplementscene calling me a lurker! Lurkers are present, but quiet/silent. I wasn't here. I guess you've only got my word for that, but let's all appreciate the distinction, shall we?
Posting lists of everybody in the game is great, and I think everybody should do it: It helps organise your own thoughts, prevents people slipping into the background, and stops focus on only the 'loudest' players. Some people think it's annoying because there's lots to read, but I think they've got no stamina ;p.
Two people asked me questions I think? Hamster guy and... poppy? No. I can't remember what they are now. No I think one of them was "do I have any insight?" Well, I think dedoporno is a backup flubbucket, which is really useful as flubbucket is innocent now. Ahhh.. Bookwyrm's lurking? That's been pointed out already though. Trent's voting supplementscene so probably everybody else should too. Unless he's mafia.
Hypersomniaclive said a lot of stuff I don't remember it all now. I'm proud to be his vote, if voting if very significant for him. Not sure what to make of that GREAT WORK JOE. ALL ROUND. YOU'RE DOING EXCELLENT.
I think scene defended me a little which made me feel nice, then nervous. But then he did me wrong regarding lurking so... That's good?
SirPrimalform hasn't done much, but a few haven't either.
So: Who is scum? Hmmm I don't know argh! Sorry.
Alright I'll leave you with that for the moment. Back again soon.
Sorry for your loss dessimu. Best wishes to you and your family.
I'm not in the best position to post right now, but I'll try to remember some things I thought as I read.
I feel like I trust poppy: her initial talk of possible roles was useful for me as I haven't read much about then setup yet, and it's good for everybody to be on the same page. She also finished by saying the re doesn't need to be any further discussion. Seems fair to me.
Lift was agressive, was he the first to move out of random-voting-stage? Either way his play set off alarm bells that I felt on Goglactica #53, but put it down to Lifthrasil's play style. Hm. But I get the impression he's backed off a little, which he didn't seem to do as scum. I'll need to read over to check that.
I object to supplementscene calling me a lurker! Lurkers are present, but quiet/silent. I wasn't here. I guess you've only got my word for that, but let's all appreciate the distinction, shall we?
Posting lists of everybody in the game is great, and I think everybody should do it: It helps organise your own thoughts, prevents people slipping into the background, and stops focus on only the 'loudest' players. Some people think it's annoying because there's lots to read, but I think they've got no stamina ;p.
Two people asked me questions I think? Hamster guy and... poppy? No. I can't remember what they are now. No I think one of them was "do I have any insight?" Well, I think dedoporno is a backup flubbucket, which is really useful as flubbucket is innocent now. Ahhh.. Bookwyrm's lurking? That's been pointed out already though. Trent's voting supplementscene so probably everybody else should too. Unless he's mafia.
Hypersomniaclive said a lot of stuff I don't remember it all now. I'm proud to be his vote, if voting if very significant for him. Not sure what to make of that GREAT WORK JOE. ALL ROUND. YOU'RE DOING EXCELLENT.
I think scene defended me a little which made me feel nice, then nervous. But then he did me wrong regarding lurking so... That's good?
SirPrimalform hasn't done much, but a few haven't either.
So: Who is scum? Hmmm I don't know argh! Sorry.
Alright I'll leave you with that for the moment. Back again soon.
flubbucket
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Posted September 16, 2018
SirPrimalform: Well this is weird. Distancing from who? The only posts I made around this point were correcting a misunderstanding where people thought I was calling your play bad. Is that what you mean by distancing?
You appear to have stopped saving the damsel in distress. PoppyAppletree: .............
This is certainly interesting. Where does SPF come into this, flub? The only reason I can see that you would have to place SPF under suspicion is that he's been critical of you, which isn't a good reason at all, especially when you're confirmed Town. What do you have to lose from people doubting you?
............
His criticism of me stemmed from posts I made about you. I am 90% sure I never said anything about people doubting me. This is certainly interesting. Where does SPF come into this, flub? The only reason I can see that you would have to place SPF under suspicion is that he's been critical of you, which isn't a good reason at all, especially when you're confirmed Town. What do you have to lose from people doubting you?
............
HypersomniacLive: .............
Please see above comments. flubbucket: [...] In post #50 I comment about her quip regarding not dying. SPF comments immediately afterward in post #51 as well as poppy in #52. [...]
HypersomniacLive: Don't think I follow what your point about SirPrimalform's post #51 is. Elaborate? flubbucket: [...] The long exchange between lift and poppy in the 60s, 70s, 80s has [...] SPF distancing [...]
HypersomniacLive: I just did an ISO on SirPrimalform (wasn't that hard, he's got 11 short posts so far), and still don't follow. Could you point out where and how he distanced from PoppyAppletree in regards to her exchanges with Lifthrasil? HypersomniacLive: Elaborate on how her flipping town goes a long way to sussing SirPrimalform's and supplementscene's alignment. Then do the same for the case she flips (mafia or SK).
Also, what about Lifthrasil? Does her flip not factor into your read on him? If not, why not?
No. Also, what about Lifthrasil? Does her flip not factor into your read on him? If not, why not?
I will do no such thing.
Sounds like homework and I'm playing a game at the moment.
my name is catte
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gogtrial34987
Grog'tial | half-dwarf, dual-bolt crossbow
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Posted September 16, 2018
Hi all. Back from a loooong day out on the water, enjoying perfect sailing weather. Going to catch up now, but let's start of with this:
Lift, as Poppy has declined to provide references, do you yourself remember any two games in which you - deliberately or not - showed this behaviour as scum, or any one game in which you did so as town?
Lift, as Poppy has declined to provide references, do you yourself remember any two games in which you - deliberately or not - showed this behaviour as scum, or any one game in which you did so as town?
PoppyAppletree
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Posted September 17, 2018
HypersomniacLive: Elaborate on how her flipping town goes a long way to sussing SirPrimalform's and supplementscene's alignment. Then do the same for the case she flips (mafia or SK).
Also, what about Lifthrasil? Does her flip not factor into your read on him? If not, why not?
flubbucket: No. Also, what about Lifthrasil? Does her flip not factor into your read on him? If not, why not?
I will do no such thing.
Sounds like homework and I'm playing a game at the moment.
PoppyAppletree
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Posted September 17, 2018
So, my last post was supposed to be a joke, but I guess I'm not really joking. Flub has so far been worse than useless. An empty chair marked "confirmed Townie" would be more useful to the Town than Flub has been. So, Flub: Please try to take the game at least somewhat seriously, rather than simply using it as an opportunity to get under other players' skin*. I don't find your antics amusing, and I'm not enjoying playing with you. Please bear that in mind, since we're supposed to be playing a game that is enjoyable for everyone. Stop using your Innocent Child status as an excuse to not contribute.
(* Which, incidentally, I consider to have no in-game utility, because even though I know you're Town I want you to be lynched or night-killed so I don't have to read your posts anymore.)
(* Which, incidentally, I consider to have no in-game utility, because even though I know you're Town I want you to be lynched or night-killed so I don't have to read your posts anymore.)
gogtrial34987
Grog'tial | half-dwarf, dual-bolt crossbow
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JoeSapphire
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Posted September 17, 2018
a couple of things I was wrong about:
dedo has done a little more than just make jokes recently. I apologise, my reading got lazy toward the end.
lifthrasil kept up the pressure on poppy. I apologise, my reading got lazy. I guess this means he's mafia??
dang there was something else but I forgot.
alright my mafia prediction for post-game glory is dessimu, bookwyrm627, and Lifthrasil.
ZFR, you are permitted to be quietly impressed
dedo has done a little more than just make jokes recently. I apologise, my reading got lazy toward the end.
lifthrasil kept up the pressure on poppy. I apologise, my reading got lazy. I guess this means he's mafia??
dang there was something else but I forgot.
alright my mafia prediction for post-game glory is dessimu, bookwyrm627, and Lifthrasil.
ZFR, you are permitted to be quietly impressed
gogtrial34987
Grog'tial | half-dwarf, dual-bolt crossbow
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Posted September 17, 2018
SirPrimalform: Well this is weird. Distancing from who? The only posts I made around this point were correcting a misunderstanding where people thought I was calling your play bad. Is that what you mean by distancing?
Hey, SPF, I find your posts rather floaty, and then half the time when you engage, it's with certified town?! Sure, you're defending yourself a bit - but that's not really helping town move forward. Would you like to commit to something solid? Like, Poppy/scene/Lift: how do you read each of those three? And name one other person outside of flub and those three who's caught your attention - why, and how do you read them?
Any reason your vote is still on trent?