So 13:00 UTC, 14:00 BST?

Yes.

Right now it’s 7:25pm CEST, so however that translates to BST

Cheers, I just wanted to make sure I had CEST right.

If you're Town I get where you're coming from with this but what you say is untrue. Having thorough analysis of others as scum can be equally or even more powerful as scum since proper preparation and data makes it easier to catch Town mistakes and use them against them. Scum can definitely gain from it but it takes time and effort and they don't have to rely on it. I think someone actually did this in a past game (may it was Bookwyrm or adalia, can't recall) - as some sort of Scum they spent so much time digging "useful" data and investing resources that were more helpful to the Town. So yeah, I happens and it doesn't automatically grant credit.


Really? I'm not opposing this, honestly asking. My impression of you is pretty much what gogtrial wrote - you don't vote until very late, often at the very last moment hence no RVS votes. I guess I'm wrong about that.


If I was a cynical man I'd have thought that he didn't need to read because he knew all he needed to know in terms of player alignments. But I'm not that cynical, so I won't.

I've read that at my own lesiure. I'm not going to go through them during an ongoing game looking for scraps. I consider that outwith the purview of this game.

I'm beginning to suspect you lack either a sense of humour, or have a poor grasp of irony.

I mean, I'd appreciate if you didn't tell other players what to do, but we can't all get what we want.

That's a slippery slope argument, which is specious. A mod lying about flips or generally lying is the hallmark of extreme bastardy. If "twist" does suggest a bastard element, then it would be strictly light bastardy. It should be clear though from my rating flub's confirmation at 90% certainty that I don't think that his alignment/role is the twist. He's doing a pretty good job of undermining his own credibility though.

It's already been shown that supplementscene was oblivious to the bounds of the setup, so I think that validates my concern. People don't read rules anywhere near as thoroughly as they should.

That's the way I [url=https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/91b7/0391ce2286f81b02f374a184ed2cf5c972ef.pdf]talk. If you're going to pick me up every time I use a qualifier, it's going to get tedious fast. For fun, I've underlined every time I use either soft language or qualifiers in this post and in the quotes you've highlighted. Let's skip these particular nitpicks in future, I don't think they're constructive.

It's a gut read of a pattern of play. My feeling is that it's what Lift would do as scum, since he throws down suspicion and then miracuously finds evidence to support his suspicions as things continue.

Just the former. Hence the need to see if Lift is trying to distance himself. Mind, I don't think he'd particularly need to on Day 1 unless scene was doing a rather poor job of keeping distance from his scum buddies.

Granted.

You appear to have stopped saving the damsel in distress.

His criticism of me stemmed from posts I made about you. I am 90% sure I never said anything about people doubting me.


Please see above comments.


He has stopped jumping to her rescue with comments which have nothing to do with him.

No.

I will do no such thing.


Sounds like homework and I'm playing a game at the moment.

Please, point to these distancing posts that you mentioned.

Hi all. Back from a loooong day out on the water, enjoying perfect sailing weather. Going to catch up now, but let's start of with this:

Lift, as Poppy has declined to provide references, do you yourself remember any two games in which you - deliberately or not - showed this behaviour as scum, or any one game in which you did so as town?

Are we sure lynching flub wouldn't be a good idea?

So, my last post was supposed to be a joke, but I guess I'm not really joking. Flub has so far been worse than useless. An empty chair marked "confirmed Townie" would be more useful to the Town than Flub has been. So, Flub: Please try to take the game at least somewhat seriously, rather than simply using it as an opportunity to get under other players' skin*. I don't find your antics amusing, and I'm not enjoying playing with you. Please bear that in mind, since we're supposed to be playing a game that is enjoyable for everyone. Stop using your Innocent Child status as an excuse to not contribute.

(* Which, incidentally, I consider to have no in-game utility, because even though I know you're Town I want you to be lynched or night-killed so I don't have to read your posts anymore.)

I ask specific questions. You give general answers that are frequently not at all related to the thrust of my questions. (And the same with your answers to HSL's questions, and also with dedo's recent questions.)
I am trying to ascertain specific things about you, your playstyle, and your convictions with my questions. You preventing me from ascertaining those things is what earned you my vote. Let's look at two examples below:

Let's go back to what you originally wrote in post #60:
"Joe voted for me and I tend to find people who attack me slightly suspicious but then town are meant to thoroughly investigate everyone and make sure they get a lynch."

I read that as "Joe votes me, which I don't like, but it can also be town behaviour because town investigates thoroughly."
I asked what you're referring to with "investigating thoroughly".
And now you're saying Joe's vote was completely random. So I'm left puzzled with your original reference to "thoroughly investigate". Which was the same puzzlement that led to my question in post #75. And which this answer from you still hasn't cleared up. Please try again, or tell me that I'm interpreting your original statement incorrectly, in which case I'd like to know how you intended it.

Then a question from #75 which you didn't quote in #121 at all:
Note that I'm asking specifically about posts from Poppy before your post #63. She posted #3, #6, #13, #16, #24, #30, #33, #45, #52 and #55. That's certainly quite a few posts, but there's nothing I personally would describe as "high quality analysis". Which is not a dig on Poppy - it was mostly early RVS, still. But that is why your rather strong description caught my attention. So what I'd like to understand now - and back in #75, causing me to ask that question - is if you're someone who plays from feeling, making very strong claims without really having facts to back them up - which, I'll note, can be true for players of either alignment - or if you actually did see specific things in those posts that struck you as high quality - which would be helpful to me for calibrating my mental image of how you see the game - or if there's some other explanation still that currently escapes me.


I hadn't really considered that before, and mostly - with apologies to scene - because I don't consider him capable of pulling that off. I am trying mentally to prevent myself from underestimating him, as his playstyle could simply just be a bad match for mine, but obviously that interpretation is still preventing me from looking at all possibilities.

I'm going to try and revisit this possibility at a later point. For the moment: Do you yourself consider this a likely possibility?

Because I felt the thrust of my explanation was valid, and someone clarifying the situation was needed to prevent scene chasing endlessly after this "distracting matter" that was simply some misinterpreted in-joke.

a couple of things I was wrong about:

dedo has done a little more than just make jokes recently. I apologise, my reading got lazy toward the end.

lifthrasil kept up the pressure on poppy. I apologise, my reading got lazy. I guess this means he's mafia??

dang there was something else but I forgot.

alright my mafia prediction for post-game glory is dessimu, bookwyrm627, and Lifthrasil.
ZFR, you are permitted to be quietly impressed

Hey, SPF, I find your posts rather floaty, and then half the time when you engage, it's with certified town?! Sure, you're defending yourself a bit - but that's not really helping town move forward.

Would you like to commit to something solid? Like, Poppy/scene/Lift: how do you read each of those three? And name one other person outside of flub and those three who's caught your attention - why, and how do you read them?

Any reason your vote is still on trent?