So they broke it more than year ago and left it at that. I am not surprised at all...

Thanks for the explanation and for workaround.

Yum

Upon finally checking it thoroughly, I find out that there is nothing at all that would make HSL+Wyrm less likely than HSL+trent, so I retract that statement.
In fact it appears there is nothing in interactions and behaviour that would disqualify Bookwyrm from being buddy of any of the living players remaining in the game.

Then comes the awkward moment when I remeber the last page and that HSL made case against BW and feel silly. Well done, me.

Are they from toast or a plain sandwich? Toasted breadcrumbs are easier to clean.

Who even knows by this point?

Huh. It never even crossed my mind that those two comments you cite could be read as me hinting about my role. I've just seen my name come up in multiple scum chats as a good kill-candidate ("or post game, if I end up dead"), and I wasn't widely town read + we had a doctor claim on the board ("I'm not going to soak a NK").

You've been thinking an awful lot about whether I have a role. XD

Shade, the whole shade, and nothing but the shade.

Liar.

Wow. I'm actually flattered, because according to this point on in HSL's post on me, I'm an evil mastermind on the level of Tarquin. You guys should just go ahead and concede, because I've apparently already got everything laid out and ya'll are just dancing to my tune.

(I wish I was that together. Anyway, there is the scum read on me from HSL that I was waiting for; only thing missing was the vote.)

I thought you'd appreciate it ;) . We were almost going to go with Poe, The Raven, but I couldn't allow it. I saw a Karel Čapek play last week and I've been reading more. They're an interesting family. Very sad as well. Still I enjoyed tracking down these poems and reading what google translate made of them.


:C
I guess I'm struggling to keep up a bit. I was trying ruling-out-who-I-think-it-isn't, which is how I ended up with what I had.


don't do that! I started panicking about 'how had we messed up so bad?'


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This is hard! Everybody thinks that everybody else could be scum. Have we just collectively been the worst players in a mafia game ever?
I'm not feeling my best today so I might be taking an overly gloomy viewpoint. But let's not give up!

Little bro and I both think it's trent, soo I'd better put my money where my mouth is.
vote trentonlf

but bookwyrm or vitek would work for me too.

I'll take Trent or HSL right now. I'm not seeing the will to finish HSL at the moment, so I'll move to Trent. If people would prefer HSL over Trent, then express such and I'll move back.

Unvote HSL
Vote Trent

Vote count:

trent - 3: gogtrial, Joe, Bookwyrm
HSL - 1: SPF
Vitek - 1: flub
Bookwyrm -1: trent


Not voting - 2: HSL, Vitek

8 players. Takes 5 to lynch.

If you flip town, do you agree with my reasoning that Bookwyrm must be mafia? (I know you have him as scum independently, but I'm asking if you see any flaws in my reasoning. i.e. do you agree with my read that HSL and Vitek are exceedingly unlikely to be mafia together?)

Have I overlooked anything when coming to my current conclusions? Any dark horse way out there theories to share about flub or SPF?

@HSL, @Vitek: We have less than 24 hours to go until EoD. What are you waiting for specifically before voting?
(@HSL If it's answers from me, I'm going to attempt to make time for them in ~2 hours, though I'll still give priority to anything which stands out from other posts, including checking up on references from your epic posts.)

I'm not waiting on your answers; we've reached a point where I'm much more confident in my other scum-reads for your answers to make a difference, and your post #984 was quite the help on getting there. I'm working on a post factoring in the latest posts and developments, and will most likely place a vote, but I want to get a few things out, so you can read and comment on them, as I don't think you'll be around Tomorrow.

IMO bookwyrm is mafia, I would be surprised if he’s not. All my flip is going to do is show you I was Town and does nothing to show if bookwyrm is mafia or not.

I don’t think Vitek is scum, I’m not seeing what flub is. My gut tells me HSL is not scum either, so no in my mind there’s no way for them to be scum together. But this is a game of liars and decievers and I could have it all wrong, but it would take a massive slip on one of their parts to sway my opinion.

OK, let's look at the first reactions after reads (gogtrial34987's and mine) came out:

- trentonlf's is working hard to get back on gogtrial34987's good side; he's trying hard to convince gogtrial34987 that the latter's reading too much into his town-read of Vitek, citing, unsurprisingly, his previous game where he was town. He's completely ignoring not only my comments on him, but also JoeSapphire's questions from post #959; again, lack of commitment on why he's allegedly scum-reading Bookwyrm627 together with SirPrimalform, and how my flip factors in to his "game-solving", plus a bit of fear that the more he talks, the more his narrative's in danger to evolve, and he's got more than one pair of eyes on him.
And then we have post #1002. A mix of half-hearted joking and AtE. From the guy who in post #986 run gogtrial34987's ears about how he believes that town should always fight hard ("with all they have" are his words) not to get lynched when on the chopping block. Yep, that's guilty trentonlf alright. Guilty trentonlf resigning to his fate to give his scum-buddy a better chance to achieve that mafia win he mentions.

- Bookwyrm627 is also working to get back on gogtrial34987's good side, but with a different strategy; he completely ignores gogtrial34987's post #984, continues to shade me at every chance he gets, and "pushes" the trentonlf+HSL scum pair (but not without a preference to me), while nicely positioning himself among those cited by gogtrial34987 (town-flipped Lifthrasil and himself) as having been pushing supplementscene to read the rules, by completely twisting/misrepresenting the part of gogtrial34987's post he "quoted".
Much later he returns with a response to my read of him, which, unsurprisingly, is a collection of more shading and accusations, sprinkled with a "If only I were the evil mastermind you say I am" for good measure.
I've quoted and referenced posts and post numbers, the posts are there for anyone interested to check and see if things add up the way I see them. And anyone that has played with Bookwyrm627 before knows that he's smart and cunning, and what he's capable of when it comes to planning and plotting. I stand by what I posted, except for two things when I also factor in the latest posts and developments:

1. I've gone over the case of a Vitek+Bookwyrm627 scum pair, and still find that Bookwyrm627 FoS-ing both his scum-buddies on D1 to be a big issue, and the distancing/superficial interactions don't seem enough to overcome it. I still think he bussed supplementscene both Days, but him "scum"-reading Vitek/supplementscene on D1 fits better with the pattern of who was his D3 "scum"-read (mchack+HSL).
2. I initially allowed my town-lean on trentonlf to cloud my read on Bookwyrm627's D4 "scum"-pair choice, taking it as another one that fits the pattern (which it does on the surface). But after seeing their reactions (his and trentonlf's), and Bookwyrm627's latest posts, I'm seeing a different picture.

- SirPrimalform is still caught deep in his refusal to accept that other players may well see things differently without them instantly being scum. Par for the course, so nothing that changes my read on him.

- Vitek's reaction seems more natural to me than those of Bookwyrm627 and trentonlf (and I'll get to his reply to me). So, while he's not completely off the hook, he'd be my #3 lynch-choice for Today. Mostly because of the other two.


So, trentonlf's playing to his post #877:
and starts a wagon on Bookewyrm627, likely counting on there not being another four votes among the rest of us.

Bookwyrm627's playing to this post #889:
He initially keeps on his attempt to get me mislynched, but then suddenly he switches to trentonlf in post #1000.

Let's take a look at the numbers. Mafia can afford a bussing, either Today or Tomorrow. So, initially Bookwyrm627 was playing to the latter part of his bussing stance, but then switched rather emphatic. What caused the change?
The answer lies in this part of gogtrial34987's post #984:

If trentonlf flips mafia, gogtrial34987's leaning towards his scum-buddy being me.
But if Bookwyrm627 flips mafia, he thinks trentonlf's more likely the scum-buddy.

Which one sounds like the better scenario for mafia since bussing looks pretty much unavoidable at this point? To flip trentonlf first and go for my mislynch Tomorrow, or to flip Bookwyrm627 first and risk trentonlf being Tomorrow's lynch, and thus risk losing the game? Gee, let me think... The former, of course. Bookwyrm627 earns some town cred after trentonlf flips not only for voting him but being the first after the Lovers on his wagon, his "scum"-read on me also earns some validation, then has all of D5 to get me mislynched. Because, besides "scum"-reading me himself, at least one of the Lovers thought so too, the one Lover that's been consistent with analysis and game-solving. Won't the town be inclined to listen to the Lovers, who conveniently won't be around to maybe change their minds/reads, nor vote? Especially at such a crucial point in the game?

Brilliant, isn't it? Well played, Bookwyrm627, well played.

So yes, scum!Bookwyrm627, you are that together, and you most certainly are as smart and cunning as I think and have been saying. To be fair, though, scum!trentonlf is pretty good at plotting too.

Now, my best interest would be to try to shift things in flipping Bookwyrm627 first, if I were the scum that most, if not all, of you think I am. But I'm confident that the scum-pair's Bookwyrm627+trentonlf, so I'm good with either one to flip first, and trust that the town will make the right decision come D5.

I was ready to place my vote at the end of this post, but that'd put him at L-1. OTOH, nobody else is around besides trentonlf (just saw gogtrial34987's light go on, but he's already on the wagon), so the risk of a quick hammer is pretty low. On the other other hand, I'd like to address a couple of things but have to go AFK for a while, so I'll do it in my next post.