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mchack: -not attacking anyone just yet: no fun :P it's random voting stage (RVS), go kick someone it's the one time in game you can do it without having to give a good reason
How about you lead by example.
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ZFR: How about you lead by example.
mchack is attacking your bestest friend. I'd say that's leading by example. :P
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ZFR: How about you lead by example.
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SirPrimalform: mchack is attacking your bestest friend. I'd say that's leading by example. :P
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I blame Joe's formatting in Post 10. Putting the attackee before the attacker.
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supplementscene: So let's talk Town Tactics. The Pros & Cons of 'vote no elimination' in round 1? Does that play into Mafia hands?
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ZFR: It's almost never good to vote no-elimination. First round or otherwise. The town's only way of killing mafia is through lynch, so they need to use that wepon.

The only situtation I can see this being beneficial is if you're in a later stage at MYLO (Mislynch-and-Lose) but can still afford a No-Lynch vote (e.g. 3 town vs 1 mafia) AND they expect the town power-roles to give extra info at night.
But maybe more experience mafia players can give more info here.
Perhaps if you kill off all but 1 Mafia early, then random guessing the mafiosi would be counter productive.

I did think 'no elimination' wasn't generally useful but then there was a player in our Secret Hitler that voted no by default. Perhaps doing so highlights Mafia votes, or perhaps not because they don't need to kill that way.
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supplementscene: Perhaps if you kill off all but 1 Mafia early, then random guessing the mafiosi would be counter productive.
You don't random-guess, you make guesses based on play. But how is "vote nobody" better? You don't lynch anybody and mafioso picks off town one by one at night.

My creed:
Vote early, vote often, vote before, vote after.
tackle Flubbucket
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supplementscene: So let's talk Town Tactics. The Pros & Cons of 'vote no elimination' in round 1? Does that play into Mafia hands?
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ZFR: It's almost never good to vote no-elimination. First round or otherwise. The town's only way of killing mafia is through lynch, so they need to use that wepon.

The only situtation I can see this being beneficial is if you're in a later stage at MYLO (Mislynch-and-Lose) but can still afford a No-Lynch vote (e.g. 3 town vs 1 mafia) AND they expect the town power-roles to give extra info at night.
But maybe more experience mafia players can give more info here.
So “they” need to, not “we” need to. Sounds like you’re not Town

Vote ZFR
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ZFR: It's almost never good to vote no-elimination. First round or otherwise. The town's only way of killing mafia is through lynch, so they need to use that wepon.

The only situtation I can see this being beneficial is if you're in a later stage at MYLO (Mislynch-and-Lose) but can still afford a No-Lynch vote (e.g. 3 town vs 1 mafia) AND they expect the town power-roles to give extra info at night.
But maybe more experience mafia players can give more info here.
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trentonlf: So “they” need to, not “we” need to. Sounds like you’re not Town

Vote ZFR
Er... are you serious? "They" the players in the hypothetical 3T1M game. I'm not playing in that game.
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trentonlf: So “they” need to, not “we” need to. Sounds like you’re not Town

Vote ZFR
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ZFR: Er... are you serious? "They" the players in the hypothetical 3T1M game. I'm not playing in that game.
Very serious. Here is the quote again “It's almost never good to vote no-elimination. First round or otherwise. The town's only way of killing mafia is through lynch, so they need to use that wepon.“

Please direct me to the 3T1M in that statement. Your next paragraph mentions it for another possible scenario, but your first statement was why a no lynch is never a good idea. So again you say town’s only way of killing mafia is through the lynch, so “they” need to use that weapon, not “we” need to use that weapon.

Sounds like a slip to me
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trentonlf: ...
OK, I missed that "they". I thought you referred to the they in my last sentence. "they expect the town power-roles to give extra info at night." Now I see I used the pronoun in the first sentence too.

It's not a slip. I'm referring to a game of mafia in general. Not this game of mafia in particular where I'm playing. ergo third person pronoun.
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supplementscene: 1. So let's talk Town Tactics. The Pros & Cons of 'vote no elimination' in round 1? Does that play into Mafia hands?

2. Is anyone open to talking about their role? Or do you prefer to keep the cards close to your chest?
The others already answered, but here's my two cents too:

1. Yes. No-lynch almost always helps scum. Especially on D1. Our weapons are the lynch (for eliminating players, hopefully scum) and analyzing the lynch pattern. On D1 we don't have any information. If we don't lynch, we don't have much more to go on on D2 - which is bad. There are a few situations in which no-lynch might be justified in late game, but as a rule of thumb: lynch every day and if someone tells you otherwise, lynch that scum!

2. Don't reveal you role on D1. Again, there might come a point in the game when a mass claim is warranted. But this early it just gives scum a kill-list. If we have PRs, scum would love to know that! And since we don't have any information about the game yet, scum could just make up their roles if we force a role-claim to early. So we don't learn anything, but scum learns our PRs.

3. You didn't as that, but here's one of my most important rules: never lie and lynch all liars. Scum has to lie. So town should never, ever lie. If town adheres to that tenet and we just eliminate everyone who is caught at a lie, we win.


One question to the mod: Do we have to un-attack before attacking a new target? Or can we just attack freely and the most recent attack counts?


Also, I've been waiting to do this:
Grapple Sage
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Lifthrasil: One question to the mod: Do we have to un-attack before attacking a new target? Or can we just attack freely and the most recent attack counts?
I don't think un-attacking before you change target is strictly necessary, but if you want to go for the extra clarity it couldn't hurt.


Don't forget to place your bets ladies and gentlemen!

Battle Update!

2 - ZFR is being attacked by SirPrimalform & trentonlf
1 - Sage103082 is being attacked by Lifthrasil
1 - Flubbucket is being attacked by d3adb01t,
1 - SirPrimalform is being attacked by Bookwyrm627
1 - Bookwyrm627 is being attacked by Mchack
1 - trentonlf is being attacked by ZFR
1 - d3adb01t is being attacked by Flubbucket

0 - Lifthrasil
0 - McHack
0 - supplementscene
0 - Yogsloth
0 - Vitek
aren't being attacked.

And supplementscene, Yogsloth, Sage103082, Vitek, aren't attacking anybody.

It'll take 7 attackers to eliminate a player.
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Lifthrasil: ..............

Grapple Sage
Awesome.


Unlock: d3adb01t
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supplementscene: 1. So let's talk Town Tactics. The Pros & Cons of 'vote no elimination' in round 1? Does that play into Mafia hands?

2. Is anyone open to talking about their role? Or do you prefer to keep the cards close to your chest?
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Lifthrasil: The others already answered, but here's my two cents too:

1. Yes. No-lynch almost always helps scum. Especially on D1. Our weapons are the lynch (for eliminating players, hopefully scum) and analyzing the lynch pattern. On D1 we don't have any information. If we don't lynch, we don't have much more to go on on D2 - which is bad. There are a few situations in which no-lynch might be justified in late game, but as a rule of thumb: lynch every day and if someone tells you otherwise, lynch that scum!

2. Don't reveal you role on D1. Again, there might come a point in the game when a mass claim is warranted. But this early it just gives scum a kill-list. If we have PRs, scum would love to know that! And since we don't have any information about the game yet, scum could just make up their roles if we force a role-claim to early. So we don't learn anything, but scum learns our PRs.

3. You didn't as that, but here's one of my most important rules: never lie and lynch all liars. Scum has to lie. So town should never, ever lie. If town adheres to that tenet and we just eliminate everyone who is caught at a lie, we win.
Hehe. I like how your explanation is full of "we"s
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flubbucket: Unlock: d3adb01t
ugh I should have seen that coming...