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Posted August 30, 2018
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ZFR: Joe posted in OP this game has 3 scum 9 town
I'm not talking about the number of town and scum players, I'm talking about if one town person doesn't vote then mafia can block the lynch.
Posted August 30, 2018
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ZFR: Joe posted in OP this game has 3 scum 9 town
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trentonlf: I'm not talking about the number of town and scum players, I'm talking about if one town person doesn't vote then mafia can block the lynch.
How can that happen? As Lift wrote:

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Lifthrasil: Which would mean 9 town, 3 scum in this game. If you take 1 townie out, we still have 8 and we need 7 to lynch.
Am I missing something here?
Posted August 30, 2018
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ZFR: How can that happen? As Lift wrote:

Am I missing something here?
It can't happen, unless he has some knowledge that makes it different. The only way I can see him having knowledge like that is if he's scum, that's why I want him to explain himself.
Posted August 30, 2018
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supplementscene: ....
And no we don't have plenty of time, Bookwyrm is deciding tonight and the deadline is tomorrow. Everyone else seems to MIA. This is very much panic time for town.
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And yes Town should be scared not to make sure we have 7 people voting for 1 person. We lose otherwise
1. sshhh, calm down. have a hot beverage. Take your time. bookwyrm has only 1 vote. it takes the majority to lynch (7/12) so even without bookwyrm (and 4 others) someone can be lynched.
2. try not to double post. this may get you modkilled.
3. Town does not automatically lose just because we no-lynch D1. it sucks but it's not end of game. But if you are so frightened by no lynch then just vote where most votes already are (deadbolt right now, you would bring him to L-2 so only two more votes and the day would end) or agitate for your own preferred lynchtarget. tell us again why you think zfr is scum, or someone else you want lynched.

(But please: don't try and explain how the game works to someone like vitek. he probably played it before you were even born :P (this may be a crass exaggeration for dramatic effect) sorry)

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supplementscene: I disagree about it not being a panic situation. Ultimately if we have 1 town posted who doesn't vote towards our consensus, then Mafia can block our lynch.
nope. see op
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JoeSapphire: "This tournament features twelve participants: Nine challengers, trying to beat the odds and survive, and, hidden among them, three kiiiiiiiiiiiiiillleeer pokemon!!"
it's 9T vs 3M ... so to stop a lynch you need all of mafia + 3 town voting elswhere(6vs6). but if that were the case and always the case. You could argue that D2 you simply look at everyone not being on the lead wagon on D1 and you have a 50% chance to get a mafia. so chances are good that not all mafia will stay off a lynch.

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Krypsyns patented but unofficial Votecount-O-Matic:

0 trent (zfr (#7-#49))
1 Lifthrasil (mchack (#40-#109), zfr (#49-#206), daedbolt(#152) )
2 ZFR (SPf (#15-#45), trent(#22) , Lift(#50-#124) supscene(#175) )
1 mchack ( yogsloth(#110) )
0 supscene
0 SPf (bookwyrm (#3-#94) Vitek(#65-#117))
0 Bookwyrm (mchack (#6-#40) vitek(#118-#167))
1 yogsloth (supscene(#39-#175), SPf (#45-#168), bookwyrm (#94-#120), mchack(#109) , vitek(#117-#118))
0 Sage (Lift (#26-#50))
0 Vitek (flub (#38-#173), yogsloth (#108-#110))
4 d3adb01t (flub (#8-#28), lifthrasil(#124) , vitek (#167) , bookwyrm(#183) , zfr(#206) )
1 Flub (deadbolt (#21-#152), sage (#54) , bookwyrm (#120-#183))

7 to lynch
not voting: flub, Spf

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d3adb01t: just vote for me
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flubbucket: You should ask the moderator for a substitute.
indeed. while waiting for the sub question to be cleared. (and shouldn't deadbolt want to sub out and just try and do a krypsyn on us (I seem to remember a game were kryps at least tried not to talk but only vote) then I'm happy to vote for him(deadbolt), too. new player or not.)
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but while waiting:

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yogsloth: On a serious note (ha!), if mchack isn't a thing...
Hey! I am a thing! Don't you dare ignore me. you know.. I have like feelings. thingies at least.

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yogsloth: I was just about to ask if anybody wanted to go for Sage with me, but...
me, me I want to go for Sage with you! she should be prodded by now (last post reads 3 days ago) and she's not new and even if work blocked gog, she could at least bumble about a bit like yogs.:P (I for one can't access gog from work either .. which btw, means I probably can't be here for the deadline either :( )
Even if mafia, she should be able to post something. Yogs does it.

prod sage

apart from her, I'm also fine with going after yogsloth (for fishy play), deadbolt (for no play), lift and zfr (for playing with each other) and most anyone else (for avoiding no lynch)

---On refresh: Do you know the feeling when you make a big ass post and then refresh and then parts of your answer are already old-news but you don't want to delete them, because it was work to type them up and you don't want that work to go to waste and rather have people read redundant info? .... well, not me. never had that.

---On second refresh:
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trentonlf: It can't happen, unless he has some knowledge that makes it different. The only way I can see him having knowledge like that is if he's scum, that's why I want him to explain himself.
I don't know what you're getting at, but please do remember he's the one who asked whether the voting-records could be publicly seen. I think you are over interpreting things here.
Posted August 30, 2018
/Peeks from behind a bush
Posted August 30, 2018
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mchack: ---On second refresh:
I don't know what you're getting at, but please do remember he's the one who asked whether the voting-records could be publicly seen. I think you are over interpreting things here.
What does him asking about voting records have to do with lynching someone? He claims that if one town player does not vote then mafia can block the lynch, I want to know how he knows that. I don't see a way for that to be possible, and if it is then I don't see scum losing this game.
Posted August 30, 2018
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Sage103082: /Peeks from behind a bush
lol, right after the prod!

ok then what do you think about stuff? Wanna ask about when the deadline is or something?
Posted August 30, 2018
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Sage103082: /Peeks from behind a bush
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mchack: lol, right after the prod!

ok then what do you think about stuff? Wanna ask about when the deadline is or something?
You are mistaken. I did not receive any prod prior to be getting on or actually yet. I got on because I got home from work and Im not throwing my guts up anymore.. Yay!

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Lifthrasil: Meow? Was this a flavour claim?
Nope. <Insert dirty mind comment here>

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supplementscene: was actually attempting to encourage any Mafia bluffing.
Or get town into a bickering match over first day etiquette as preserved by each player. Or maybe you are very very new. We will see.

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mchack: Can mafia not make mistakes?
Double negative this is?

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Vitek: Actually, lurkers should be copped and vigged, lynch should be used on people who will provide us with informations upon their death.
This is the most town thing I have ever heard from Vitek.
Posted August 30, 2018
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mchack: ---On second refresh:
I don't know what you're getting at, but please do remember he's the one who asked whether the voting-records could be publicly seen. I think you are over interpreting things here.
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trentonlf: What does him asking about voting records have to do with lynching someone? He claims that if one town player does not vote then mafia can block the lynch, I want to know how he knows that. I don't see a way for that to be possible, and if it is then I don't see scum losing this game.
I meant, I think he's not grasped the full concept of the game, yet.

"Ultimately if we have 1 town posted who doesn't vote towards our concensus, then Mafia can block our lynch."

I read as: if only one town doesn't vote exactly as the rest of town then we can't lynch. Which is false.
But if he doesn't understand the voting records are public (which I find incredible, since he can read each vote here in thread) then it's more likely that he also doesn't understand the numbers at play here, than that he knows of a secret power of mafia to stop the lynch.
(ok even if he were a mafia govenor or something, what would he care about the "1 town posted who..."? - I think simpler is better in this case. I assume he's just not getting it yet, but hopefully will, in the course of the game)

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mchack: lol, right after the prod!

ok then what do you think about stuff? Wanna ask about when the deadline is or something?
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Sage103082: You are mistaken. I did not receive any prod prior to be getting on or actually yet. I got on because I got home from work and Im not throwing my guts up anymore.. Yay!
oops, sorry you were sick. that explains why you weren't taking part. Glad you are feeling better, now! :D Yay!

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mchack: Can mafia not make mistakes?
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Sage103082: Double negative this is?
no? suggestive question this is. I think.
Posted August 30, 2018
Thanks McHack. I was one sick Sage. I didnt get out of bed for 2 days. And I am almost caught up but still have some and will be completely caught up by tonights end.

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yogsloth: So yeah, I'm Mafia Psycho Ninja Ass Whooper Killer. It's a new role. Every night I can rent one old '80s movie and invite people over for a slumber party. I'm thinking about "Gleaming the Cube" for N1.
Ah how I've missed you, Yog.

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mchack: Tingly I'd say. Unrelated: did you know that there's a horn drill attack in pokemon?
Did you post this for a specific reason?
Posted August 30, 2018
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yogsloth: Is Deadbolt new? I thought we don't lynch new people D1.
When they deserve it we should.

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supplementscene: You realise if 7 of us don't vote the sameway we get no lynch? Unless you can sway public opinion to Deadbolt you should vote for Yogs or ZFR.......if you actually want town to succeed ofcourse ;)
Telling someone how they should vote is not town in my book.

Unvote flub

Vote: Battle attack supplemenyscene
Posted August 30, 2018
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supplementscene: Bookwyrm saying he isn't available on deadline day, stating he is only voting Deadbolt and the rest should come into his line or fail to get a lynch sounds very scummy
Well, THAT'S certainly an interesting statement.
Posted August 30, 2018
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mchack: Tingly I'd say. Unrelated: did you know that there's a horn drill attack in pokemon?
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Sage103082: Did you post this for a specific reason?
this is me trying to be funny. (yes I know, sorry)
chuck tingle does make for a tingly image search and the horn drill fits itself nicely into it.(hehehe) ( excibit a ). I kind of made it into a bit of a theme there... *shrug*
Posted August 30, 2018
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supplementscene: My earlier post that appears edited is due to me posting again within 10 minutes and GOG merging the posts, apologies to Joe and everyone

I disagree about it not being a panic situation. Ultimately if we have 1 town posted who doesn't vote towards our concensus, then Mafia can block our lynch. Assuming everyone is going to drop in line in the last 24 hours is a huge risk for town. Especially if some Town people are simply innactive.
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trentonlf: Uhm, how are you coming across these numbers? The only way your numbers make sense is if you are coming from a position of knowledge that only scum would have, so please enlighten us as to why you shouldn't be the lynch today.
In post 176 Lift states he doesn't know who the third Mafia member is, which made me think there were 3 Mafia and 7 Town and Town would need all 7 Town to agree to get the lynch.

I also assumed the ratio would be similar to Secret Hitler the ratio was 6 town, 1 hitler and 3 fascists and we needed 6 votes to get a pass. We were told this in SH but looking through the notes I see we haven't been told how many Mafia members there are.
Posted August 30, 2018
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supplementscene: In post 176 Lift states he doesn't know who the third Mafia member is, which made me think there were 3 Mafia and 7 Town and Town would need all 7 Town to agree to get the lynch.

I also assumed the ratio would be similar to Secret Hitler the ratio was 6 town, 1 hitler and 3 fascists and we needed 6 votes to get a pass. We were told this in SH but looking through the notes I see we haven't been told how many Mafia members there are.
you need to read more careful. others have told you it's 9 town vs 3 mafia and so have I (even quoting the relevant part of the OP where the mod told us that this is the case.) Also you know it's 12 players when you count through the list of players in the first post. so if you assumed 3 mafia by lifts post you should be counting the 9 players left. how do you get to 7 town then?
don't know about the secret hitler stuff never played that. But about this game:

Is zfr the only one you'd be willing to lynch? why? if not, who else? why? make a case about who you want lynched and why and vote accordingly.
And then if you see that this lynch is not going to happen, vote the person that you think might be scum _and_ that also has a reasonable chance of being lynched. (looking at who else said they'd be willing to vote that person) and let's hope that enough people reach a consensus before deadline.

(ideally way before deadline, if only we knew by now whether deadbolt wishes to sup out or really wishes to quit by getting lynched, it would make voting much easier right now.)
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