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General discussionGOG Mafia #26: S.T.A.L.K.E.R - The Dangers of the Zone(1131 posts)(1131 posts)
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This is my favourite topic
Posted March 07, 2015
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HijacK: Unless I suddenly went wipe-mode with the memory of the Werewolf game number and was mistaken all these months about it, I'm fairly certain it's 22.
So 22 was the one that the "more experienced" players told you to tone down your approach, and that too aggressive a play is detrimental, yet you ignored us and continued that approach. Said advice was given to you not only in the game thread, but in the QT thread as well. Yet your playing style continued to be the one you thought correct, not the one the other players suggested to you.

So, should a new player choose his own style or go with what the more experienced players tell them to do?

Or to put it another way: "5+4 = 9. So is 6+3. Just because your way is correct doesn't mean it's the only correct way."
Posted March 07, 2015
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HijacK: Unless I suddenly went wipe-mode with the memory of the Werewolf game number and was mistaken all these months about it, I'm fairly certain it's 22.
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JMich: So 22 was the one that the "more experienced" players told you to tone down your approach, and that too aggressive a play is detrimental, yet you ignored us and continued that approach. Said advice was given to you not only in the game thread, but in the QT thread as well. Yet your playing style continued to be the one you thought correct, not the one the other players suggested to you.

So, should a new player choose his own style or go with what the more experienced players tell them to do?

Or to put it another way: "5+4 = 9. So is 6+3. Just because your way is correct doesn't mean it's the only correct way."
Wrong again, mister smarty pants. That was game #23, the High School Drama. Game #22 didn't even have a QT.
And tot his day I think people have understood the repercussions of acting rashly just because something looks so obviously unnatural.
As a matter of fact, you should remember that game. It was the day one role claiming fest everybody seems to be complaining about now. And they criticized me for not claiming day 1. Bah.
Posted March 07, 2015
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adaliabooks: I'd say I'd be happy to vote on either if it comes down to it, but I'm not ready to start a proper wagon on either of them yet as I'm not sure we're done for the day yet...
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Krypsyn: So, you would rather wait until the last minute to place your vote, when things get hectic and discussion is necessarily truncated?
No, but I think once a wagon builds to a certain point conversation becomes stifled and rightly or wrongly we tend to push that wagon until we get a lynch or some kind of role claim which postpones a lynch and I don't think we're ready for either yet.
Posted March 07, 2015
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HijacK: Not very interesting at all. Went back and checked my PM. The word "loyalist" isn't itself there, but the word "loyal" is and it appears to be a basic template introduction to PMs.
Trent already established that, so you or anyone else saying the same doesn't bring any value anymore. Sorry. On the PM part, if scum have the very same template I highly doubt someone would use the word in that way, considering our own PMs may have had the scum as loyal Monoliths or whatever. WIFOMing is endless if you choose to look at it that way. For the time being I'll go with my gut on this one and stick with the odd feeling about you until your alignment is backed up in another way or I become incapacitated.
Posted March 07, 2015
OK, it feels a bit like that DarkoD13 town tell on adaliabooks, but not quite.

I picked this up in RWarehall's first post, and made a mental note of it, but I admit that, for some reason, I did not make the connection to Bookwyrm627's post, even though I had noticed it the day he made that post.

Insomnia Promo overdose, or I need to start keeping detailed notes.
Posted March 07, 2015
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dedoporno: Trent already established that, so you or anyone else saying the same doesn't bring any value anymore.
So? You know very well that I reply to posts progressively. I've done that a few games now, so if this is all you can come up with to refute my argument, give me a break. It's lame.

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dedoporno: On the PM part, if scum have the very same template I highly doubt someone would use the word in that way, considering our own PMs may have had the scum as loyal Monoliths or whatever.
Doubt it as much as your want. And huh? Own PMs having what?

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dedoporno: WIFOMing is endless if you choose to look at it that way. For the time being I'll go with my gut on this one and stick with the odd feeling about you until your alignment is backed up in another way or I become incapacitated.
Go with your gut as much as you want, I don't really care. Never quite did actually. Just don't pester me with this "genius" idea if it is all you got to confirm someone. On day one, nonetheless.
Posted March 07, 2015
My take on it is I don't see a scum, just after reading his PM daring to type "I'm a loyalist, yada, yada, yada.".

Bookwyrm, may not have realized what he was doing as town. I don't see how a scum would dare type anything close to that. What convinced me is that the root word in general does not appear in the OP nor any of the pre-game hype. I checked.

So, to me , I see that as a pretty fair town tell.

I'm happy where my vote is, given the person in question seems adamant to discredit the idea.
Posted March 07, 2015
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HijacK: So? You know very well that I reply to posts progressively. I've done that a few games now, so if this is all you can come up with to refute my argument, give me a break. It's lame.

Doubt it as much as your want. And huh? Own PMs having what?

Go with your gut as much as you want, I don't really care. Never quite did actually. Just don't pester me with this "genius" idea if it is all you got to confirm someone. On day one, nonetheless.
I haven't pestered you at all. You decided to take part yourself. I'm having a discussion with a bunch of the other players. It seems I have mislead you that you are the cornerstone in making sense out of my theory. That is not the case though.
Posted March 07, 2015
I have finally caught up competently I started this post where I left off reading yesterday morning so some things will have already been talked about.


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Bookwyrm627: I saw I had several pages to browse since last time I checked in, and I clicked past one or two of them and saw story from Lift at the top of the page. I wanted to catch up starting from where I was so that later posts wouldn't be confused by earlier posts (I wanted to establish context), but I did scan pieces of this one because it stood out and was at the top of the page. I didn't read it fully at the time because I wanted to see what else had happened first; I saw something about Ddickinson being knocked out. You may recall the previous discussion about powers possibly shifting around and the reference in the OP to how powers might not stay with someone.

By this point, I honestly can't tell you which of the thoughts that rolled through my head at the time was first, as several speculation scenarios occurred to me while I went hunting for the last page where I'd read posts. As far as typing, the power shift scenario simply happened to be typed first. Regardless of whether or not you believe me, there is nothing significant about the order of that list of thoughts.
Im not sure what but something in this post seems off or over redundant.

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HijacK: Oh my, OMGUS vote. My favorite type. Let's make it a duo!

Vote Bookwyrm627

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Bookwyrm627: Feel free to escort my logic to a back alley and go all Jack the Ripper on it; people (including me) can learn from it when holes are punched in it. Trying to misrepresent what I'm saying and attacking that? That just makes you look scummy.
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HijacK: Oh, but I didn't misinterpret anything. That is your downfall. I find your username very ironic. Bookwyrm. Seeing as you vehemently follow some guides over others with experience that only destroys your credo in front of me. You're literally nothing, but this nothing awarded you the amazing honor of being in my top 3 scum suspects.
Do two OMGUS votes make a right? or was that a wrong? I dunno. But I do think this little tit for tat and you vote me ill vote you is not going to help.


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HypersomniacLive: I'm still looking for that thing that makes Bookwyrm627 (why do I always want to call them Bookwormy?) almost surely town, but either my observation skills have been negatively affected by following the Promo, or I'm too stupid to see what appears to be so obvious to others; or there's something else going on here. I sure hope that it won't turn out to be like that big town tell DarkoD13 had on adaliabooks last game.
Not sure what to make of those abstaining from this discussion - have they found it but are keeping silent, or are they keeping silent because they haven't?
I have been busy with work and RL but I am getting caught up and with the snow no work for a few days... I hope.
I have not seen this special town tell. Though I do plan on going back and re reading over when I finish catching up.

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dedoporno: I don't see a point in waiting any longer for sharing my observation, RWarehall kind of gave it away anyway, so I guess this is as good as it gets.
Drat I was 7 hours to late to see if I could figure out the town tell.


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dedoporno: In addition I'm not too fond of Ix's entry. Calling Robb a liar because of the presented reason and placing a vote on him (and I'm pretty sure we are out of RVS now) doesn't sit well with me, especially when I see Robb as leaning Town.

I don't like Sage's posts too much as well - a bunch of words, but not too much of value. We had this last game. One of her last posts there still rings in my head.

Hijack also feels odd. He usually pushes aggressively and uses decent arguments, but this time that doesn't seem to be the case. Scum's easiest pray are usually new players who may believe they are doing us a favor, but actually making mistakes (I know, since I've been there myself). Bookwyrm is more or less in that situation and it's doubt only townies are picking on him.

We'll see.

So, that's that.
I have to agree with you on Ix.

Not very nice to go throwing up old games that have nothing to do with this one. That was then this is now. And if you really really need to go off my scum play please click a few pages back to see Hijacks nice summary of my shut up so you don't get hurt play style. I did not think you would be the person that would throw the past back up. I could of sworn it was you that had a comment about past play being used when this game was at the sign up stage. Hmm I could be wrong.


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Krypsyn: My physic connection keeps coming up with nothing!
Yeah, I would not put all your money on that thing, It lied to me about who was asking me to prom. I would ask for your money back. Maybe trade it for some magic beans.


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adaliabooks: And, a dozen more rereads later I have... exactly zilch.
I have to agree. Since Dedo above doesn't think I add much but some random chatter. Ill add my thoughts now who I think needs to be looked at a bit more.

Hyper - Do I find him to be scum. No but I do not find him to be town. I find him to be no existent for the most part. Would like to hear a lot more as he is a strong player with great questions.

Ix- for jumping into the game and right onto Rob. I found this to be untown like. Almost like just jumping in and trying to throw a vote and see if it sticks. Does this alone make him scum? no but I want to watch him.

I have twilight sitting in neutral as not much conversation or opinions have come - though he did state RL and I under stand that so he is sitting at neutral.
Posted March 07, 2015
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Sage103082: Ix- for jumping into the game and right onto Rob. I found this to be untown like. Almost like just jumping in and trying to throw a vote and see if it sticks. Does this alone make him scum? no but I want to watch him.
Something about the first quote I had of Robbeasy's (the one where I vote for him) just rang to me like dedo and Robb playing as scumbuddies, but "out loud" if that makes sense.

One of your own quotes of dedo that I had missed before reinforces that idea for me (he says "Calling Robb a liar... especially when I see Robb as leaning Town"). Robb has contributed nothing that would firmly put him in anyone's camp as leaning town. It's just not there.

I suppose dedo could have other means of knowing Robb is Town, but at this point I really have no reason to shift my vote off him, or change my original thinking.
Posted March 07, 2015
My whole intention in post 171 was to move this game out of RVS as it was getting stagnant and all it would do is benefit scum. I even state it at the start of the post. I chose to pick Bookwyrm as he had been making a lot of posts that were anti town and I knew it would stimulate conversation from everyone.

That part worked, but I sure do wish the whole word thing had been left out. When I got my PM all I did was briefly skim it to see what my name and part in this game was. I feel the PM should be a taboo area to bring up in any game. The games that were played and PM's were used to break it made me realize it is a lot less fun that way.

This game is using your mind and words to help or hinder not your PM from the mod.

I say let's play the game, leave PM's and words contained therein out of it. Let's play the game as it should be.

That being said
Unvote Bookwyrm627

What are everyones thoughts? Mine are let's have fun and enjoy the hell out of this game.
Posted March 07, 2015
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RWarehall: Bookwyrm, may not have realized what he was doing as town. I don't see how a scum would dare type anything close to that. What convinced me is that the root word in general does not appear in the OP nor any of the pre-game hype. I checked.
But, couldn't he be a scum who may not have realized what he was doing? Or, perhaps he is a cagey scum who decided to come out swinging with a WIFOM statement from the get-go? He is a new player, so I don't take anything for granted.

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RWarehall: I'm happy where my vote is, given the person in question seems adamant to discredit the idea.
Oh, that's me, huh? Yeah, I do discredit the idea that it is a huge deal. Let's just assume that you are correct, and it is a huge town tell. It was blatantly obvious, since, as you say, the root word doesn't appear anywhere else. It sticks out like a sore thumb. So, regardless of whether or not it appears in everyone's PM, I think everyone would have a decent chance of guessing where it came from.

Actually, in the case where somebody doesn't have a similar word in their PM, I think they might be more prone to see it as odd and make a note of it. Moreover, as a case in point, the person I think it would have the best chance of clearing would be the person that set this all off by voting for Bookwyrm627: trentonlf. He is the first to let slip that the word in question wasn't identical to the word in the PM.

So, yes, I think this is being overblown. All in all, I just don't think it was a good litmus test for scum.
Posted March 07, 2015
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trentonlf: My whole intention in post 171 was to move this game out of RVS as it was getting stagnant and all it would do is benefit scum. I even state it at the start of the post. I chose to pick Bookwyrm as he had been making a lot of posts that were anti town and I knew it would stimulate conversation from everyone.

That part worked, but I sure do wish the whole word thing had been left out. When I got my PM all I did was briefly skim it to see what my name and part in this game was. I feel the PM should be a taboo area to bring up in any game. The games that were played and PM's were used to break it made me realize it is a lot less fun that way.

This game is using your mind and words to help or hinder not your PM from the mod.

I say let's play the game, leave PM's and words contained therein out of it. Let's play the game as it should be.

That being said
Unvote Bookwyrm627
I disagree. I don't think PMs should be left out of the game. I think if theya re there, they should be used. However, how does a mod make the game more balanced? Different PMs for pretty much each individual. Paraphrased, entirely unique, short or long. While it is true it adds a lot more work on a mod's part, it entirely destroys the notion of "if it's there, use it."

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trentonlf: What are everyones thoughts? Mine are let's have fun and enjoy the hell out of this game.
You also have to realize people enjoy things differently. Some enjoy challenges, while other simply want an easy dominant run.
Posted March 07, 2015
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HijacK: I disagree. I don't think PMs should be left out of the game. I think if theya re there, they should be used. However, how does a mod make the game more balanced? Different PMs for pretty much each individual. Paraphrased, entirely unique, short or long. While it is true it adds a lot more work on a mod's part, it entirely destroys the notion of "if it's there, use it."
I might do the opposite, and just make every single PM identical except for the role/alignment information. For added fun, I would make it really long with tons of buzzwords and let players just quote anything they want from their PMs.

Now that I have said this, I will never be able to do this. :(
Posted March 07, 2015
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Krypsyn: I might do the opposite, and just make every single PM identical except for the role/alignment information. For added fun, I would make it really long with tons of buzzwords and let players just quote anything they want from their PMs.

Now that I have said this, I will never be able to do this. :(
My thought was this:

You're Town/Mafia
Your role

Have fun

Flavor up the OP and call it good ;)
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