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Xeshra: You can not compare "the ancient times" with "the modern times" because so much has been changed on so many terms... i am not even trying to explain, i lack the time for this essay.

Fact is... the game industry is increasing for decades already and nowadays the cash flow is bigger than the one from the movie-industry... which was not the case in the ancient times. Automatically... the entire rule "on how stuff works" will change a lot because gaming got WAY MORE mainstream and during this huge shapeshift, involving many factors... indeed the price asked was... at least if you judge it on its surface, decreased. However... there are WAY MORE addons, DLCs... bonus items... and the development of many games still take place even YEARS after the launch. Most games barely are finished at release and the "true price" for the full game can still become double or even triple of the "launch price". But this is just a good example and it will not cover many more factors playing a role on the pricing... ultimately, it simply can NOT be compared with the ancient times... we have completely different conditions and rules now.

Almost same with cars: A ancient car on the paper might be WAY MORE expensive than the average car today (taking inflation into account). However... if we investigate on "how the reduced pricing was done" the new car might not look that cheap anymore. Because in theory we could build a car that will last 1 million miles with todays possibilities... yet this is never done, not even for the most endurable car. Because we have a "planed obsolescence", which is around 15 years or 150k miles... and many cars may even explode half of this years or miles...and may not even get a warranty anymore. So... we got a way higher efficiency on building "affordable parts"... and we just try to make the bare minimum which will "last the time intended"... so indeed, with this "way of manufacturing" in mind, the pricing will drop but it comes at a sacrifice... which we are willing to accept. However... the repair cost of new cars was NEVER ever that expensive... and some cars are economically a total loss at the age of just 6 years or about 150k miles... and we do not even wonder anymore. So, never compare ancient times with new times... or never judge a book just by its cover; times and conditions are different.

Or in other words: It is easy to BUY a game but expensive to maintain a updated game at good performance. Same for cars: Easy to BUY a new car but it was never that hard maintaining it and cover the repair expenses. In the end, we are curious "how it happens we may have to stop gaming or stop driving"... but it was not that difficult getting it in the first place.
i only know that the used car market seems pretty much inflated because leasing is the new buying and that my hundred old gildens is worth 70 new euro's now.. what sounds about right if you take the word inflation into account
Just to be clear, we don't get regional prices in south africa. Not sure if people were confused about that. We pay in $US. I have no clue what the $US price is for tyranny on steam. If it's $29.99, then GoG's price is... fine, I guess? Seems crazy expensive to me though.
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John_Bot: Just to be clear, we don't get regional prices in south africa. Not sure if people were confused about that. We pay in $US. I have no clue what the $US price is for tyranny on steam. If it's $29.99, then GoG's price is... fine, I guess? Seems crazy expensive to me though.
It is $29.99 on steam right now. Though there was an opportunity to get Tyranny - Deluxe Edition for $1 a year ago on Humble.
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John_Bot: Just to be clear, we don't get regional prices in south africa. Not sure if people were confused about that. We pay in $US. I have no clue what the $US price is for tyranny on steam. If it's $29.99, then GoG's price is... fine, I guess? Seems crazy expensive to me though.
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AWG43: It is $29.99 on steam right now. Though there was an opportunity to get Tyranny - Deluxe Edition for $1 a year ago on Humble.
Wow, that's a tremendous difference. In that case, it actually seems to me like the game is tremendously underpriced over here. It should probably be around R300 on steam instead of R175. I already own it over there, but I'll probably get it on GOG anyway. Hope Obsidian is happy I bought all their games twice...
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PaterAlf: Because for you to get a better price, someone else will pay more (even more than the US base price).
This is a mistake, digital goods do not work like physical ones. The real cost of a software copy is very close to zero, so there is no need to sell some copies at a higher price to compensate for other copies being sold at a lower price.

Lower prices for countries with a lower income could be done without enforcing higher (than base) prices in countries with a higher income.
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John_Bot: Just to be clear, we don't get regional prices in south africa. Not sure if people were confused about that. We pay in $US. I have no clue what the $US price is for tyranny on steam. If it's $29.99, then GoG's price is... fine, I guess? Seems crazy expensive to me though.
Okay. Person actually from the United States here, so I can confirm US prices for any game. Let's discuss Tyranny:


Tyranny - Standard Edition
Full Price: $29.99
Currently On Sale For: $7.49

Tyranny - Deluxe Edition
Full Price: $39.99
Currently On Sale For: $9.99

Tyranny - Gold Edition
Full Price: $49.99
Currently On Sale For: $12.49

This means that the TL;DR version of your rant in the first post is that those of us in the United States should pay the highest prices for games. After all, we live in the richest country and therefore should pay more regardless of if we can afford it or not.

I'll go a step further and say that I'm in California as in that state with a GDP that rivals most countries. I know what it is like to live in a place that everyone else perceives as a land of extreme wealth and plenty.

The uncomfortable truth is that there's a ton of poverty. People not from here (including other US states) like to point out all the billionaires living in my state, but they don't want to accept that there's way tons of poverty. Do you think that rich people are fast workers? Do you think that rich folks do any of the numerous jobs that are extremely dirty. The roads don't repair themselves, and the trash doesn't take itself to the dump. When my toilet went out, I didn't have to import a plumber from a nearby poor state. While the state has a median (meaning average) income of $33,719 USD for an individual person and $78,672 USD for a household, you have to consider that those billionaires are just dragging up the median income. There's going to be a lot of extremely poor people here too.

Some of those poor people can probably afford the cost of Tyranny when it is on sale. However they shouldn't have to pay $49.99 for the Standard Edition just to subsidize you getting the game cheaper than us. I'd say Sorry Not Sorry at this point....

Except that I'm just not sorry.
Wait, why choose Tyranny as an example?

Tyranny Gold was given away before on the Epic Store for Free in 2020 - https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/pillars-of-eternity-and-tyranny-are-free-on-the-epic-games-store-next-week
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John_Bot: Just to be clear, we don't get regional prices in south africa. Not sure if people were confused about that. We pay in $US. I have no clue what the $US price is for tyranny on steam. If it's $29.99, then GoG's price is... fine, I guess? Seems crazy expensive to me though.
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Catventurer: Okay. Person actually from the United States here, so I can confirm US prices for any game. Let's discuss Tyranny:

Tyranny - Standard Edition
Full Price: $29.99
Currently On Sale For: $7.49

Tyranny - Deluxe Edition
Full Price: $39.99
Currently On Sale For: $9.99

Tyranny - Gold Edition
Full Price: $49.99
Currently On Sale For: $12.49

This means that the TL;DR version of your rant in the first post is that those of us in the United States should pay the highest prices for games. After all, we live in the richest country and therefore should pay more regardless of if we can afford it or not.

I'll go a step further and say that I'm in California as in that state with a GDP that rivals most countries. I know what it is like to live in a place that everyone else perceives as a land of extreme wealth and plenty.

The uncomfortable truth is that there's a ton of poverty. People not from here (including other US states) like to point out all the billionaires living in my state, but they don't want to accept that there's way tons of poverty. Do you think that rich people are fast workers? Do you think that rich folks do any of the numerous jobs that are extremely dirty. The roads don't repair themselves, and the trash doesn't take itself to the dump. When my toilet went out, I didn't have to import a plumber from a nearby poor state. While the state has a median (meaning average) income of $33,719 USD for an individual person and $78,672 USD for a household, you have to consider that those billionaires are just dragging up the median income. There's going to be a lot of extremely poor people here too.

Some of those poor people can probably afford the cost of Tyranny when it is on sale. However they shouldn't have to pay $49.99 for the Standard Edition just to subsidize you getting the game cheaper than us. I'd say Sorry Not Sorry at this point....

Except that I'm just not sorry.
You're talking nonsense, I live in the EU and have to pay more for the game than you, offended poor people from California
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Catventurer: Okay. Person actually from the United States here, so I can confirm US prices for any game. Let's discuss Tyranny:
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Lovelace217: You're talking nonsense, I live in the EU and have to pay more for the game than you, offended poor people from California
No. I'm not. The US price is $29.99, same as the price that OP is complaining about.... meaning his price should always be lower than the US. It should never be equal under any circumstances.

Start a community wishlist asking GOG to raise prices on the US market. I'm sure OP will vote for it.
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Zimerius: i only know that the used car market seems pretty much inflated because leasing is the new buying and that my hundred old gildens is worth 70 new euro's now.. what sounds about right if you take the word inflation into account
Gilden? You mean Gulden? Well, at the time there was still Gulden available 100 Gulden was about 45 EUR, but... because the EUR has been massively inflated the past 20 years today 100 Gulden would probably be equal to around 70 EUR, which is pretty much the price you currently pay. So, ultimately the games even got more expensive because nowadays the games in general are "less finished" and there is more added costs.

However, it will not take the sales into account, which is pretty much comparable to the new "leasing" of cars. Basically you can get a near finished game at a huge discount but if you want all DLC and Addons it may cost you still way more than expected. On top of that, a good gamer PC is not for free... it can cost thousand of coins (i know what i talk/write about).

Leasing is the new buying, for new cars... indeed. However, people start to realize... slowly... that those "cheap leasing cars" got huge maintenance costs (including the rates which is another maintenance cost) and they may not even last that long without repairs. So the used car market is still at a high demand... including inflation... so in the end many people that want to get something affordable are screwed. No matter how its done... the issue is the high maintenance cost and for many drivers it simply may mean at a certain point "finish driving": The system is just way to much "debt-loaded".
Post edited October 27, 2023 by Xeshra
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John_Bot: Of course, the answer is 'you only rent games on steam, you don't own them'. Except, there's a pretty easy way to get around that, isn't there? If I want to contribute to the devs, why not just by the game on steam, and then, well... get a steam version from somewhere else that doesn't require steam to run?
Doesn't work if one is unwilling to give a single cent to Valve after they proofed to the rest of the gaming industry that only a small minority of gamers have the will to not buy single player games that require online authentication.
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Lovelace217: You're talking nonsense, I live in the EU and have to pay more for the game than you, offended poor people from California
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Catventurer: No. I'm not. The US price is $29.99, same as the price that OP is complaining about.... meaning his price should always be lower than the US. It should never be equal under any circumstances.

Start a community wishlist asking GOG to raise prices on the US market. I'm sure OP will vote for it.
Stellaris Overlord. According to the GOG database it should cost $15.99, but for me it costs $16.92.
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Catventurer: Start a community wishlist asking GOG to raise prices on the US market. I'm sure OP will vote for it.
Nobody is asking to raise the prices in US or EU markets ;)

This is all about getting lower prices in the countries with lower income. This does not need to be "compensated" by higher prices elsewhere, due to the zero cost of digital software copies. The distributor is not losing money on low-price sales, neither does the developer/editor.
I am from Indonesia and yes, GOG's prices are more expensive compared to our Steam. It may be kinda unfair, yes, but that's just how life is. Some people are born in countries with higher income, while some aren't. Luckily, the games I want on GOG are mostly old games so the price difference, even though it can be double, still isn't that high.

Why buy on GOG you ask? Other than the obvious GOG exclusives, I buy it if I really like the game and want to replay, and the game has features that Steam doesn't. For example, I bought Thief 1 and 2 on GOG despite playing them on Steam 3 years ago. Here it has cloud saving while Steam doesn't.
Yes yes, this is all very fascinating, but the only thing I really want to know right now is this:

Is Alan Woke 2 sold only on Epic Games store? Not even Steam? Is there some predetermined exclusivity on EGS, or is it forever?