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Posted August 08, 2019
It's funny how gaming sites have been covering this like they and their SJW readers don't do the same shit the instant they even get a whiff of some "injustice" in a game.

Fuck them, all of them.
Posted August 08, 2019
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ariaspi: Meh. Who in their right mind take seriously death threats over the internet? The internet's anonymity makes people say all kind of stupid and exaggerated things. Personally I'd be more upset by being insulted, called stupid or something, than receiving death threats.

These devs deserve the backlash, they are the crybabies. Calling your potential customers "entitled baby gamers" and "entitled toxic gamers" is so immature. There's that saying, "the customer is always right" and these devs have no clue about its meaning. I have a feeling that they never had a real job in their life, like interacting with people face to face, and stuff like that.
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GameRager: So by that logic you think people who call people some names deserve death threats?

SMH

And yes, most can ignore them but that still doesn't make it right.....also in some areas that can land one in jail, and for sometimes good reason(one cannot tell who is serious with such threats or not).
I didn't say that, nor do I think that, so no reason for you to shake your head. I just said that threats over the internet are not real. People are very brave when sitting comfortable in their chair, in front of the computer. But face to face, no normal person will say those things. Not the "entitled gamers" to some devs, nor some childish devs to their potential customers. Nowadays getting offended out of anything has become the number one hobby in most of the western countries.

Oh, I'm sure in some areas one can land in jail for such things. Same as in some areas one can land in jail for defending themselves in their own home against a perp.
Posted August 08, 2019
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ariaspi: I didn't say that, nor do I think that, so no reason for you to shake your head. I just said that threats over the internet are not real. People are very brave when sitting comfortable in their chair, in front of the computer. But face to face, no normal person will say those things. Not the "entitled gamers" to some devs, nor some childish devs to their potential customers. Nowadays getting offended out of anything has become the number one hobby in most of the western countries.
Doesn't really matter how real the threats are, they're still heinous and way out of bounds. The devs being jerks does not justify such a reaction in ANY way, and threats like that are indeed illegal and should be.
Posted August 08, 2019
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ariaspi: I didn't say that, nor do I think that, so no reason for you to shake your head. I just said that threats over the internet are not real. People are very brave when sitting comfortable in their chair, in front of the computer. But face to face, no normal person will say those things. Not the "entitled gamers" to some devs, nor some childish devs to their potential customers. Nowadays getting offended out of anything has become the number one hobby in most of the western countries.

Oh, I'm sure in some areas one can land in jail for such things. Same as in some areas one can land in jail for defending themselves in their own home against a perp.
I know you didn't say that, but your line of wording made it sound like you do or did. Also to be clear the smh was just half serious.

I agree people should not be easily offended(I rant about it a lot here and elsewhere), but I don't think one should advocate or brush aside those essentially breaking the law for sh*ts and giggles as some do.

The fact is some take some comments more seriously and constant threats/similar can make a person feel extremely poorly, and to me it's akin to harassment...as such I wouldn't mind if we were allowed to give such people a smack upside the head for making such comments if nothing else.

Also are you now equating self defense against criminals with making threats against other people? One is morally good and justified in most cases(imo) and the other is not.



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ariaspi: I didn't say that, nor do I think that, so no reason for you to shake your head. I just said that threats over the internet are not real. People are very brave when sitting comfortable in their chair, in front of the computer. But face to face, no normal person will say those things. Not the "entitled gamers" to some devs, nor some childish devs to their potential customers. Nowadays getting offended out of anything has become the number one hobby in most of the western countries.
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StingingVelvet: Doesn't really matter how real the threats are, they're still heinous and way out of bounds. The devs being jerks does not justify such a reaction in ANY way, and threats like that are indeed illegal and should be.
This...same with the milkshakings in other countries....we have people saying "Oh, it's a DRINK....those babies shouldn't worry about it"....as if that somehow makes it okay and nothing to worry about or get upset over.
Post edited August 08, 2019 by GameRager
Posted August 08, 2019
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LootHunter: Well? Even if he did (which I don't think he did), Ooblets devs called people who don't like Epic Store to be "immature and toxic" right in their initial blog post. Are you saying me that them "burning of the consequences" (aka getting toxic answers in response) wasn't deserved?
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GameRager: Is that why people are upset? I thought it was other stuff/reasons.

If so I still don't think calling people toxic deserves others telling them to off themselves and worse.
It's not about what devs deserve, it's about what they are asking for. When they started patronize and disparage (though vaguely) gamers, who were already upset about their deal (and Epic Store policies in general), they essentially issued a provocation. Obviously, I don't approve harrassment period, but I also don't approve people who poke into hornets nest, then start to stir it even more and then complain that they were bitten.

UPD. Though some folks already explained that. Basically, the lesson here - you don't take out fire by pouring gasoline in it, you don't calm outraged mob by patronizing and belittleing them.
Post edited August 08, 2019 by LootHunter
Posted August 08, 2019
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GameRager: Is that why people are upset? I thought it was other stuff/reasons.

If so I still don't think calling people toxic deserves others telling them to off themselves and worse.
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LootHunter: It's not about what devs deserve, it's about what they are asking for. When they started patronize and disparage (though vaguely) gamers, who were already upset about their deal (and Epic Store policies in general), they essentially issued a provocation. Obviously, I don't approve harrassment period, but I also don't approve people who poke into hornets nest, then start to stir it even more and then complain that they were bitten.

UPD. Though some folks already explained that. Basically, the lesson here - you don't take out fire by pouring gasoline in it, you don't calm outraged mob by patronizing and belittleing them.
But it is, in a way.....decorum and proper behavior should be extended to ALL, not just one's favored people(imo). That means people shouldn't issue death threats to even the d**kiest of d*ks.

I do agree they shouldn't have stirred up the proverbial hornet's nest, though.

On the other hand, with such easily outraged people outright apologies are just as bad as well.....they just encourage people to double down and harass such people even more in many cases.
Post edited August 08, 2019 by GameRager
Posted August 08, 2019
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ariaspi: I didn't say that, nor do I think that, so no reason for you to shake your head. I just said that threats over the internet are not real. People are very brave when sitting comfortable in their chair, in front of the computer. But face to face, no normal person will say those things. Not the "entitled gamers" to some devs, nor some childish devs to their potential customers. Nowadays getting offended out of anything has become the number one hobby in most of the western countries.

Oh, I'm sure in some areas one can land in jail for such things. Same as in some areas one can land in jail for defending themselves in their own home against a perp.
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GameRager: I know you didn't say that, but your line of wording made it sound like you do or did. Also to be clear the smh was just half serious.

I agree people should not be easily offended(I rant about it a lot here and elsewhere), but I don't think one should advocate or brush aside those essentially breaking the law for sh*ts and giggles as some do.

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The fact is some take some comments more seriously and constant threats/similar can make a person feel extremely poorly, and to me it's akin to harassment...as such I wouldn't mind if we were allowed to give such people a smack upside the head for making such comments if nothing else.

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Also are you now equating self defense against criminals with making threats against other people? One is morally good and justified in most cases(imo) and the other is not.
Probably you misunderstood what I was trying to say and maybe my wording should have been more clear. When I said "These devs deserve the backlash", I was referring to the overall negative reaction, not to the death threats. Of course death threats are not okay, but that is to be expected in today's world - no matter what someone will say, there will be someone else to be offended by it. So I'm indifferent to such threats, and usually the ones that make a fuss about them want to play the victim card (and to be clear, I'm referring to those that start/say something bad/stupid and then cry when it bites them in the ass).

I don't know anything more about this subject than what was said in this thread and the posted conversation. Didn't read OP's article. So, I assume there were a few threats made by some lunatics, or even worse, were made by some people who like to stir up shit to create some internet drama and get some clicks on their articles. Were the threats by the hundreds? I doubt it, but I also don't care because I would not say such stupid things as those devs. I guess some are more chilled, or deal with bigger issues, in some parts of the world and don't take seriously what a nobody says on the internet.

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People should go out and face the world, have some life experience. More and more people scared of everything - let's coddle them so we can have weaker people. I blame this mostly on poor parenting. And also, this reminds me of " we need easy mode in every game".

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Also, I'm not equating anything, just pointing out that one can end up in jail for the stupidest things, regardless if guilty or innocent.
Posted August 08, 2019
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ariaspi: Probably you misunderstood what I was trying to say and maybe my wording should have been more clear. When I said "These devs deserve the backlash", I was referring to the overall negative reaction, not to the death threats. Of course death threats are not okay, but that is to be expected in today's world - no matter what someone will say, there will be someone else to be offended by it. So I'm indifferent to such threats, and usually the ones that make a fuss about them want to play the victim card (and to be clear, I'm referring to those that start/say something bad/stupid and then cry when it bites them in the ass).
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I don't know anything more about this subject than what was said in this thread and the posted conversation. Didn't read OP's article. So, I assume there were a few threats made by some lunatics, or even worse, were made by some people who like to stir up shit to create some internet drama and get some clicks on their articles. Were the threats by the hundreds? I doubt it, but I also don't care because I would not say such stupid things as those devs. I guess some are more chilled, or deal with bigger issues, in some parts of the world and don't take seriously what a nobody says on the internet.
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People should go out and face the world, have some life experience. More and more people scared of everything - let's coddle them so we can have weaker people. I blame this mostly on poor parenting. And also, this reminds me of " we need easy mode in every game".
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Also, I'm not equating anything, just pointing out that one can end up in jail for the stupidest things, regardless if guilty or innocent.
I get that most will let such slide off them mentally(the threats), but I still don't think it is acceptable for others to keep pelting even arsehats with such comments.

If people want to be rude to other rude people there are acceptable ways to do so...we are not cavemen/women anymore, after all.

(Also a few people wll be impacted by them over time and we don't know if any of them are serious or not, which is why I do not advocate for anyone saying such online with maybe a few exceptions....like if playing an online game and someone who is a friends says stuff like "I'm gonna 'murd*r' your n))b arse for that camping/360noscope/etc")
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I know little about it as well. And yes, the comments were probably fewer than reported/it's made out to be. I still don't like people doing such, though.

Also as I said above: One cannot tell if one making such threats is serious or not, and that is why they cannot be tolerated and must be looked into when they are done. Otherwise we have more sh**ters doing stuff because no one took their threats seriously.
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People also shouldn't have to wonder if that random commentor is some weirdo who knows their address/etc who can do something to act on such threats or not.

I agree we shouldn't let everything scare/bother us but we also shouldn't let threats slide...especially if they are worded seriously enough and the person is an unknown to the one being threatened.
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Posted August 08, 2019
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LootHunter: It's not about what devs deserve, it's about what they are asking for. When they started patronize and disparage (though vaguely) gamers, who were already upset about their deal (and Epic Store policies in general), they essentially issued a provocation. Obviously, I don't approve harrassment period, but I also don't approve people who poke into hornets nest, then start to stir it even more and then complain that they were bitten.

UPD. Though some folks already explained that. Basically, the lesson here - you don't take out fire by pouring gasoline in it, you don't calm outraged mob by patronizing and belittleing them.
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GameRager: But it is, in a way.....decorum and proper behavior should be extended to ALL, not just one's favored people(imo). That means people shouldn't issue death threats to even the d**kiest of d*ks.
Yes, people shouldn't. That's why as long as this kind of behavior condoned (and even encouraged) towards one group of people (Trump supporters, for example), there is no way you can convince that such behavior towards some other group of people is NOT OK.

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GameRager: I do agree they shouldn't have stirred up the proverbial hornet's nest, though.

On the other hand, with such easily outraged people outright apologies are just as bad as well.....they just encourage people to double down and harass such people even more in many cases.
Well, as they say "silence is gold".
Posted August 08, 2019
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ariaspi: People should go out and face the world, have some life experience. More and more people scared of everything - let's coddle them so we can have weaker people. I blame this mostly on poor parenting. And also, this reminds me of " we need easy mode in every game".
Yes, people should be strong and parents should toughen their kids up because the world sucks. I agree. However none of that means the people making the world a crappy place by threatening violence against freaking video game developers shouldn't be called out as the crazy fruitcakes they are.
Posted August 08, 2019
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LootHunter: It's not about what devs deserve, it's about what they are asking for. When they started patronize and disparage (though vaguely) gamers, who were already upset about their deal (and Epic Store policies in general), they essentially issued a provocation.
"Vaguely"? Dude, did you even read the original announcement, not just the bitchy "haaalp i've been a cunt to people and they don't like me, the meeeeeanies" post the bootlicker linked? Did you read the discord? None of this would've happened if these lice tried to imitate humans and said, "sorry, but we need the money", better yet negotiated offmarket DRM-free copies for donors.

It's one of the basic rules of society that cuts across cultures that when someone scams charitable people, you are allowed to be offended on their behalf. In fact, I'd argue scammers' fear of social disapproval is the one thing that allows small charitable initiatives which can't afford the legal overhead to exist.

(One thing I definitely agree on, death threats are bad. Those two should pick a scenic bridge and do a double flip out of their own volition, no one needs to go to jail on their account.)
Posted August 08, 2019
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GameRager: But it is, in a way.....decorum and proper behavior should be extended to ALL, not just one's favored people(imo). That means people shouldn't issue death threats to even the d**kiest of d*ks.
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LootHunter: Yes, people shouldn't. That's why as long as this kind of behavior condoned (and even encouraged) towards one group of people, there is no way you can convince that such behavior towards some other group of people is NOT OK.

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GameRager: I do agree they shouldn't have stirred up the proverbial hornet's nest, though.

On the other hand, with such easily outraged people outright apologies are just as bad as well.....they just encourage people to double down and harass such people even more in many cases.
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LootHunter: Well, as they say "silence is gold".
1. Politics aside we need to teach all people to treat everyone equally(for the most part) and not treat others like sh*te because of their beliefs or leanings....even if said beliefs or leanings are considered "okay" to mock due to not being PC enough or being too white or male(as some others do).

2. True, but in those people's eyes you are damned if you reply and apologize, damned if you stay silent, and damned if you reply and don't apologize.....you cannot win.....as that computer in War Games said about tic-tac-toe: The only winning move is not to play

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ariaspi: People should go out and face the world, have some life experience. More and more people scared of everything - let's coddle them so we can have weaker people. I blame this mostly on poor parenting. And also, this reminds me of " we need easy mode in every game".
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StingingVelvet: Yes, people should be strong and parents should toughen their kids up because the world sucks. I agree. However none of that means the people making the world a crappy place by threatening violence against freaking video game developers shouldn't be called out as the crazy fruitcakes they are.
If we didn't snowflake parent kids nowadays so much such kids wouldn't likely be getting so easily offended when stuff falls outside their likes and beliefs.

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LootHunter: It's not about what devs deserve, it's about what they are asking for. When they started patronize and disparage (though vaguely) gamers, who were already upset about their deal (and Epic Store policies in general), they essentially issued a provocation.
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Starmaker: "Vaguely"? Dude, did you even read the original announcement, not just the bitchy "haaalp i've been a cunt to people and they don't like me, the meeeeeanies" post the bootlicker linked? Did you read the discord? None of this would've happened if these lice tried to imitate humans and said, "sorry, but we need the money", better yet negotiated offmarket DRM-free copies for donors.

It's one of the basic rules of society that cuts across cultures that when someone scams charitable people, you are allowed to be offended on their behalf. In fact, I'd argue scammers' fear of social disapproval is the one thing that allows small charitable initiatives which can't afford the legal overhead to exist.

(One thing I definitely agree on, death threats are bad. Those two should pick a scenic bridge and do a double flip out of their own volition, no one needs to go to jail on their account.)
1. Namecalling of the OP and the dev...was that really needed?

Also NO......just because the devs acted like d*cks to others doesn't mean people are entitled to tell them to die or make threats/do worse.

2. Let the people who need to or have the right to be offended be offended on their own behalf....some of them would find such being offended on their behalf to be patronizing/etc btw. Let them fight their own battles, basically.

3. You say death threats are bad and then say the devs(I assume you mean them) should off themselves? Why? Because they did something you find disagreeable?
Post edited August 08, 2019 by GameRager
Posted August 08, 2019
I disagree with their initial blogpost announcement, but... the sanest thing to do about that is voice your disagreement in a public forum and then walk away to play other games. Nothing the developer said justify privately/directly slinging insults and harassment their way.
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