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rampancy: So you're claiming that GOG runs some kind of secret officially sanctoned black market for their own keys. And your proof of this is?...
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Goodaltgamer: If you wanted to proof that you can not read, you succeeded.

Otherwise I suggest: read my post again, but this time sentence for sentence and slowly.

And just in case you do not understand certain words, I suggest the help of certain online tools, called dictionaries. But for you. those are rumours too, right?. Or you need proof for them as well?

Have a nice day
Goodalt, I think you're a decent guy and all, but you really could do with being a bit less condescending sometimes.
Would it really have been so hard to say "I'm afraid you misunderstood me, here's what I ACTUALLY meant"?
I've bought a few Steam keys from them and never had any issue whatsoever with my purchases. Obviously, YMMV.
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zeogold: Goodalt, I think you're a decent guy and all, but you really could do with being a bit less condescending sometimes.
Would it really have been so hard to say "I'm afraid you misunderstood me, here's what I ACTUALLY meant"?
Let's see how often did I say things like:

I have heard
first shall be OK
second one see posts above
I have heard
must not be easy to distinguish
Not sure if it is true though
Just citing some rumours
I heard.

If somebody is too stupid to understand such things as rumours, conditional and so on, and asking for proof about a rumour, sorry, this guy really lost his brain.
In every sentence and even IN sentences I nowhere claimed it to be true. And how can anyone ask for a proof for a rumour?
A rumour by its definition is nothing but a rumour.
Unlike him, who states it as a fact that I DO claim blablabla..

Claim and rumour is opposite. nothing to do with misunderstanding anymore as he also continuous with false claims that I said that GOG themselves runs G2A. And asking for proof for something I never claimed is ridiculous per definition. So everything in his sentence is ridiculous anyway as nothing what he wrote has anything remotely to do with what I wrote. And just out of the grammar and words he used, it is obvious that this is no misunderstanding at all.
He writes perfect English in grammar, spelling and punctuation.(only exception sanctoned, which is rather common for somebody being able to speak and understand proper English) . By the way further proof: you're is never produced with a translator, the other way round yes, but never any language to English. So, again nothing to do with misunderstanding, just pure and plain:
a.) stupidity
b.) flame war starting
c.) trolling
d.) all of the above.

Yes I am normally far more tolerant, but not with such posts. Again, I stated 3 times: "I heard" this is already clear enough, even google translator does not fail on this one. But as I already showed proof that this is not done via translator, again, just showed what I stated prior.

You say something wrong here. Du behauptest hier etwas was nicht stimmt. (translated correctly WITH contraction): You're claiming something which is not true.
No translation program will print out: you're. Fact: it will always print out: you are. And using the contraction (and the correct one, which is not even normal for English speakers) of you're is an indication of a better level of English. (hint youre).

Hence my previous reply to him.

PS: not pissed of at you (far from it) ;), but sometimes people just deserve what they deserve.
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Goodaltgamer:
I think you're both misunderstanding.
He just didn't quite realize what you were saying. Allow me:
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rampancy: So you're claiming that GOG runs some kind of secret officially sanctoned black market for their own keys. And your proof of this is?...
He's not saying that GOG sells their own keys, he's saying that other people choose to sell the keys, à la emailing a gift code to yourself and then offering to give up that code for a price.
Post edited October 23, 2016 by zeogold
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GR00T: People have bought GOG keys from them and many have been revoked. G2A is basically a scam key reseller, as they don't seem to really care how the keys were obtained.
I bought Freedom Planet and Earth 2160 Steam keys there. They work fine and havn't been revoked so far. As for GOG keys, yes there are some of games on G2A.com, but as I live in Russia, GOG prices in my region are reduced and there is no point to buy something from G2A, that I can buy on GOG twice as cheap. Interestingly, some Steam games (like ones wich I bought) indeed have low prices despite that the key is marked as global.
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Goodaltgamer:
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zeogold: I think you're both misunderstanding.
He just didn't quite realize what you were saying. Allow me:
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rampancy: So you're claiming that GOG runs some kind of secret officially sanctoned black market for their own keys. And your proof of this is?...
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zeogold: He's not saying that GOG sells their own keys, he's saying that other people choose to sell the keys, à la emailing a gift code to yourself and then offering to give up that code for a price.
Haeh?
let's rip his sentence apart:
He states:
"So you're claiming that GOG runs some kind of secret officially sanctoned black market for their own keys"
Where the first part:
"So you're claiming"
is stating that I claim something. Claiming means I did put forward a hypothesis, stated something as a fact.
Hypothesis and rumour are absolute counterparts. (same goes for hearsay)
He continues with (stating it as a fact, not as a question)
GOG runs some kind of secret officially sanctoned black market for their own keys
Which is absolutely countering what you wrote:
"He's not saying that GOG sells"
He does say it clearly.
Further:
"he's saying that other people choose to sell"
Again, no, see bold words.
And as I stated in post 18, nothing can be further away from a misunderstanding.
Rumour/hearsay can never ever be misunderstood for a fact, unless YOU (here rampancy) decide to do so. And turning a rumour and hearsay into a fact, does not make it a fact!
You MIGHT have had a point IF I had only posted ONCE rumour/hearsay but I did numerous times with different wording, right?
And the use of a defining clause (that) is making this part of the sentence mandatory for his claim. By using the correct version (missing ,) he even remembered the rule that a restrictive/defining clause is never seperated by a comma (a mistake a lot of foreigners do).
You see, he used a quite good English, or?
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Goodaltgamer: You see, he used a quite good English, or?
The key to English is not reading too deeply into it. The minute you do that is the moment at which you start mistranslating.
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zeogold: The key to English is not reading too deeply into it. The minute you do that is the moment at which you start mistranslating.
Generally I would agree, but not with this post of him :P (see above reasons)
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zeogold: The key to English is not reading too deeply into it. The minute you do that is the moment at which you start mistranslating.
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Goodaltgamer: Generally I would agree, but not with this post of him :P (see above reasons)
You still could've just responded as I did rather than dissecting his whole statement.
20% of North Korea's national income comes from G2A.
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zeogold: You still could've just responded as I did rather than dissecting his whole statement.
And he could have responded first in a better way.
My opinion: Don't. If you feel like a product is too expensive for you, wait for sales that are frequent enough. If you do buy from it, though, don't complain if you get scammed.
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zeogold: The key to English is not reading too deeply into it. The minute you do that is the moment at which you start mistranslating.
I still don't understand how you could come up with different meanings for "you're shit" and "you're the shit"..
Post edited October 23, 2016 by phaolo
Just for shits & giggles (figure that one out, non-native American-English speakers), I decided to go buy a key from G2A for a game I've wanted from Steam right after seeing this thread last night. It was less than $2 (with G2A's small fee, no insurance) from a seller with several hundred sales and a 100% positive rating. It worked, I spent some time playing the game last night, and it's still in my library this morning.

But now a question. Will Steam revoke this game at some point if it turns out the key was somehow stolen? And how would they find out? And if it is revoked, can I still get my money back since I paid with PayPal?
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Goodaltgamer: ...
Okay, so let's go back to your earlier post:
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Goodaltgamer: But what I have heard, they do have two branches let's say

One part were they sell legitimate keys and then a market place like thing were you buy keys from another person.

So the first shall be OK, but the second one see posts above. And what I have heard they must not be easy to distinguish Not sure if it is true though. Just citing some rumours I heard.
So this suggests to me that you're saying that GOG has two branches - the public storefront, and another "market place like thing where you buy keys from another person". Since you say it's another branch of GOG, that implies that it's legitimate or a part of GOG proper. But we haven't publicly seen this marketplace, and we know that GOG publicly forbids resale of keys under the terms of service. So if this GOG-run/authorized marketplace actually exists, it must be secret...No disrespect to you intended, but if I said such a thing, that would be a pretty farfetched thing to say, I think.

However, thanks to zeogold, I think that you meant to say something like, "But what I have heard, there's another community of GOG users that's a market place like thing were you buy keys from another person." Which by the way, I'd agree with.

Okay, so you say it's not something you actually claim? That it's a "just a rumor"? That's totally fine. But someone might ask, where did you hear the rumor? Why do you believe it to be true (if you do), and what basis do you have for that? I wasn't meaning disrespect with that; apologies to you, if you took it as offensive.

Personally, I've learned in my experience here that it's a good idea to support a more apparently far-fetched statement with reasons or evidence. But take that with a grain of salt, as I'm not always good about doing that myself. ;)

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zeogold: He just didn't quite realize what you were saying. Allow me...He's not saying that GOG sells their own keys, he's saying that other people choose to sell the keys, à la emailing a gift code to yourself and then offering to give up that code for a price.
Fair enough; thanks for the clarification (and thanks for expressing it in a way that was mature and respectful). I've also heard people mentioning such things in the past (with NES & co., if memory serves), and judging from the way Steam keys are already traded and sold, it wouldn't surprise me if it's already a widespread practice with GOG keys.
Post edited October 23, 2016 by rampancy