Posted June 18, 2016
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agentcarr16
Vagabond
Registered: Mar 2014
From Canada
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Brasas
Abrasive Charpit
Registered: Dec 2010
From Poland
Posted June 18, 2016
As requesed I'll try to detail a bit more why I am distrustful of Hijack and JMich in particular later - just got home and still busy.
Where I came to it was in posts 161 and 165. 179 was hours later. In those earlier (pretty late in my timezone actually) posts I pretty much was typing while thinking it through. If you all see specific questions you want to make regarding my earlier posts it will help me save us all some time I guess. I can be verbose. (<- understatement of the game right here)
For now I'll say - Hijack has regained his cool head. JMich has never lost it and is being smartly evasive. They are vets with specific styles - no surprise so far. But the reactions to the accusation have in themselves been revealing IMO. Could be confirmation bias though.
Then, I have said around three? times I need help thinking through the logic and making sure I'm not leaving holes behind. Hijack in particular is trying to paint me as being surer than I actually am. His attempt at trying to get me to publically bless the team proposal where he puts both my top suspects in together with me is even more hilarious in that context.
Lastly, IMO there is too much talk happening. Not in itself, but because the votes are what actually matters and so much discussion ends up being masturbatory. Hijack is stalling like hell, but push comes to shove we need the votes. If I am right the spies got very unlucky. They'll do better next time and are learning fast I'm sure.
Where I came to it was in posts 161 and 165. 179 was hours later. In those earlier (pretty late in my timezone actually) posts I pretty much was typing while thinking it through. If you all see specific questions you want to make regarding my earlier posts it will help me save us all some time I guess. I can be verbose. (<- understatement of the game right here)
For now I'll say - Hijack has regained his cool head. JMich has never lost it and is being smartly evasive. They are vets with specific styles - no surprise so far. But the reactions to the accusation have in themselves been revealing IMO. Could be confirmation bias though.
Then, I have said around three? times I need help thinking through the logic and making sure I'm not leaving holes behind. Hijack in particular is trying to paint me as being surer than I actually am. His attempt at trying to get me to publically bless the team proposal where he puts both my top suspects in together with me is even more hilarious in that context.
Lastly, IMO there is too much talk happening. Not in itself, but because the votes are what actually matters and so much discussion ends up being masturbatory. Hijack is stalling like hell, but push comes to shove we need the votes. If I am right the spies got very unlucky. They'll do better next time and are learning fast I'm sure.
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Dessimu
Irish ☕ good
Registered: Aug 2014
From Denmark
Posted June 18, 2016
Sticks & Roses
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drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
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drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
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Dessimu
Irish ☕ good
Registered: Aug 2014
From Denmark
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HijacK
Ambition
Registered: Apr 2012
From Romania
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Dessimu
Irish ☕ good
Registered: Aug 2014
From Denmark
Posted June 18, 2016
To be clear about your intentions: are you waiting for every player to give their opinion on what team to form, before making up your mind? If so, who exactly are you waiting for? Poke them! Poke them hard!
We really have nothing else concrete to go on now. And I am like third or fourth, or whatever other person in line to say so.
We really have nothing else concrete to go on now. And I am like third or fourth, or whatever other person in line to say so.
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Brasas
Abrasive Charpit
Registered: Dec 2010
From Poland
Posted June 18, 2016
You all know the story about the super duper Go Master that was convinced to play blind against two lower level opponents at same time?
Against a guy one level lower he was playing well and could see the board in his mind. Against a guy two levels down he started making mistakes, picking pieces that weren't his and stuff.
He explained it was because the other guy's plays made sense, but this other's one were random nonsense.
Moral of the story being: I'm trying to piss off Hijack again :P
Anyway, as JMich so kindly explained, if we look at Mission one passing as not being a bluff by anyone, then Hijack's team proposal sucks.
So either Hijack sucks, or he's doing something else than he said he was doing. I'm open to being convinced he sucks, but I'd rather believe he's doing something else, and the obvious option being - he's a spy.
Him being a spy creates a paradox. If he bluffed Mission 1 to gain cred, he should be trying to ride it out rather than sitting out. Unlikely as it is, this leads me to suspect he was unlucky enough to have a colleague with him on the mission.
That implicates JMich or Lift. Since spies are already one Mission down, playing it deep and going for a full resistance team I don't find likely. And then I rather suspect he went with keeping his colleague from the previous mission (JMich) rather than bringing in the 3rd colleague from outside (Ix, Cristi or Drealmer).
JMich approving so fast helped solidify this. Why does he trust 3 new people, when he didn't trust one new person (Agent). Too long odds. Even if he distrusts Agent that much, why does he trust 3 new people, over Hijack and Lift which already passed a mission with him?
And Hijack's reactions?
Any questions? Let me remind you this is a working theory only. I can probaby dig further circunstancial evidence for my theory, but I'm afraid of confirmation bias - I rather want to see more votes.
So is Hijack / Hamlet making a proposal or not? To propose or not to propose, that is the question.
Against a guy one level lower he was playing well and could see the board in his mind. Against a guy two levels down he started making mistakes, picking pieces that weren't his and stuff.
He explained it was because the other guy's plays made sense, but this other's one were random nonsense.
Moral of the story being: I'm trying to piss off Hijack again :P
Anyway, as JMich so kindly explained, if we look at Mission one passing as not being a bluff by anyone, then Hijack's team proposal sucks.
So either Hijack sucks, or he's doing something else than he said he was doing. I'm open to being convinced he sucks, but I'd rather believe he's doing something else, and the obvious option being - he's a spy.
Him being a spy creates a paradox. If he bluffed Mission 1 to gain cred, he should be trying to ride it out rather than sitting out. Unlikely as it is, this leads me to suspect he was unlucky enough to have a colleague with him on the mission.
That implicates JMich or Lift. Since spies are already one Mission down, playing it deep and going for a full resistance team I don't find likely. And then I rather suspect he went with keeping his colleague from the previous mission (JMich) rather than bringing in the 3rd colleague from outside (Ix, Cristi or Drealmer).
JMich approving so fast helped solidify this. Why does he trust 3 new people, when he didn't trust one new person (Agent). Too long odds. Even if he distrusts Agent that much, why does he trust 3 new people, over Hijack and Lift which already passed a mission with him?
And Hijack's reactions?
Any questions? Let me remind you this is a working theory only. I can probaby dig further circunstancial evidence for my theory, but I'm afraid of confirmation bias - I rather want to see more votes.
So is Hijack / Hamlet making a proposal or not? To propose or not to propose, that is the question.
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HijacK
Ambition
Registered: Apr 2012
From Romania
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Ixamyakxim
Boxer Dogs Rule
Registered: Feb 2014
From United States
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HijacK
Ambition
Registered: Apr 2012
From Romania
Posted June 18, 2016
Man, you're either blind, or in a ditch. Proposals have been made. You either give feedback, or wait patiently in your spot. No solid suggestions for a team have come from you either. Which players are you avoiding to spotlight, that is the question.
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Brasas
Abrasive Charpit
Registered: Dec 2010
From Poland
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HijacK
Ambition
Registered: Apr 2012
From Romania
Posted June 19, 2016
Yeah, I already guessed. That's why I'm saying nothing worth while came from you. You'd just mess around like you did so far with votes and words.
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cristigale
Yip Yip
Registered: Apr 2012
From United States