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Well you've been free to speak your mind, drealmer7, so I think it's only fair that everybody else enjoys the same privilege.
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RWarehall: To be clear, I meant a vanilla false claiming Exorcist at L-1 to attempt to avoid a lynch. This statement was not in reference to Adalia. This was in response to Drealmer and the query about whether a claim at L-1 should save someone or not under the conditions of this particular game.
No need for clarification, I understood you just fine the first time.



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drealmer7: [...] Everyone, enough of this here. We don't need everyone's opinion on how all of that went, we don't even need 2 opinions. If she has an issue with how I was to her, she can address me. If any of you have an issue with it, you can address me, but do it in a PM. [...]
Here, have a free *ping*.

You lashed against a4plz in public, you should be able to handle some public criticism. If you can't, better think twice next time.
You should also ask yourself the question - why do a number of people take issue with your behaviour?
Hint - their alignment in this game has no relevance to the answer.


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drealmer7: [...] and continuing to bring it up is simply going to be seen as scummy by me. *ping* one for you HSL.

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I'm getting bored, tell us something new.



And before I forget it again:

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flubbucket: I[...]

I've really not given trentonlf the attention I intended.....others seem more likely to be scum.
I'm referring to this part of that post of yours:
HypersomniacLive's posts will require much more effort, so I'll do it later. I have an opinion, but who doesn't??
That was four days ago. Do my posts really require that much effort?


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flubbucket: Seriously.....how am I still alive??

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This is actually a very good question...
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flubbucket: Seriously.....how am I still alive??

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HypersomniacLive: This is actually a very good question...
I liked that one too, but I thought that more in regards to JMich and Trent when I first entered the game. Especially JMich, he rarely lives this long. I buy day 1, as either of them would make good doctor targets, but why not one of them after the doctor got lynched. Although I'm not reading either one as particularly scummy, still makes me wonder.
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HypersomniacLive: ..
Who do you have as leaning scum?

Do you think adaliabooks slipped early on when he knew spectres could not be NK'd before it was confirmed? What did you think of his suggestion of him being a PR?
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RWarehall: I liked that one too, but I thought that more in regards to JMich and Trent when I first entered the game. Especially JMich, he rarely lives this long. I buy day 1, as either of them would make good doctor targets, but why not one of them after the doctor got lynched. Although I'm not reading either one as particularly scummy, still makes me wonder.
I got JMich right up there with flubbucket, I could see why trentonlf would not be at the top of the NK targets list if he's Town.



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trentonlf: Who do you have as leaning scum?

Do you think adaliabooks slipped early on when he knew spectres could not be NK'd before it was confirmed? What did you think of his suggestion of him being a PR?
I thought it quite likely, and wanted to test it by putting some pressure one him, but no-one backed me up. He seemed pretty smug with Bookwyrm627's vote locked on HijacK and was quire relaxed after that.

If he's Mafia, dropping his soft-claim, especially right before having to leave for work (it's Saturday, so I assume he's got to work), is something I can see him doing. He knows it would cause questions which would hopefully lead to pressure, and he's not good at handling it on the fly. So dropping his soft-claim and leaving gives him time to think and plan how to respond.
The trick here now is to follow up on his reaction with (more) pressure to see where it takes us.

There's one possibility he's Town, but I'll wait to see his reaction.

As for who I have leaning Scum - a few too many for my liking at this point in the game.
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HypersomniacLive: ..
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trentonlf: Who do you have as leaning scum?
translation:

*nudge**nudge* "hey, Evil-buddy, who should we set up next? let's lay the groundwork now for tomorrow, seeing as our Evil-buddy adalia is not going to live and we need to look like we're on the side of Good when he goes down*"

just noting for the possibility (: I could be WRONG!
*sigh*

Seriously.

You think I was claiming?

Because the last town power role outing themselves, that's exactly what we need right now.

I meant we can't afford to mislynch. And lynching me would be a mislynch (we might as well out the exorcist and lynch him ourselves).
Scum appear to have three full days to find and kill our last power role, that's assuming we manage to hit one with each lynch. Every mislynch narrows their pool of targets and gives them an extra day.

We need a miracle or we're screwed.

And on that note...
Since no one other than Bookwyrm weighed in on whether I should share it and you all believe I was somehow referring to myself:

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yogsloth: I admit I have not really followed this game at all. It's barely 8 AM, all I have are copies of CSPVG's various PMs, and I have to read this whole damn thing.
I really don't like to do this, but I don't see that we have many options left as town, and it might just as well lose us the game as win it (and if I spotted it scum may have too)

I'm vanilla town. I got one PM when I subbed in. CSPVG doesn't seem the type to have had conversations with agent that he will have forwarded to yogs...

So what were the other PMs? The results of his night actions I presume. Ergo yogs is either scum or the exorcist, win or lose, let's see what happens eh?
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babark: Cristi, could you perhaps hint at the results of your investigations the first night, in a way that won't put anyone in jeopardy?
This was already addressed, but just to be clear, I had no one to investigate on the first night.

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trentonlf: I would have done the same thing if I was the exorcist, Bookwyrm was killed night one before the exorcist was revealed as a power role. Bookwyrm is almost certainly town and still has a vote, Hijack is an unknown (I am still firm in that he was scum), makes no sense to keep Hijack as a spectre and remove bookwyrm for town.
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RWarehall: Thank you. I missed the voting part. Didn't realize spectres get a vote. That does change things. And even if he was the herbalist, that role doesn't really impart any special useful knowledge. We'd just be hearing the views of another uninformed town. And if he was evil, it helped our voting numbers.
I agree. I stand by my claim that the Exorcist choosing to remove HijacK was a no-brainer. Bookwyrn was confirmed town. Hijack was not. Simple as that. Add to that, several people, including myself, thought he was scum. Why would you risk removing a confirmed (and involved) town for a potential scum? I can't see how any insight town-HijacK might provide would be worth the risk.
Someone is an utter numpty.
I think my vote is going to stay on RWarehall.

No offense to you RW, believe me I am keenly aware of the difficulty of subbing in as I'm in the same boat, but I really think a4 would have given something, anything more than he did if he weren't paralyzed with fear as scum. That's my best bet; I'm sticking with it.

I realize this is not exactly brilliant contribution. I am almost paralyzed myself because there are lots of directions to turn that go noplace good.
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yogsloth: I think my vote is going to stay on RWarehall.

No offense to you RW, believe me I am keenly aware of the difficulty of subbing in as I'm in the same boat, but I really think a4 would have given something, anything more than he did if he weren't paralyzed with fear as scum. That's my best bet; I'm sticking with it.

I realize this is not exactly brilliant contribution. I am almost paralyzed myself because there are lots of directions to turn that go noplace good.
I certainly see some things that would came off as scummy to me if I didn't know better, especially toward end of day with the lynching vote. Frankly, it looks like a comedy of errors with multiple people not knowing where the vote count was or possibly thinking it would be as easy as retracting a vote after pressure, if she even realized that was the goal.

As to paralysis, I have a lot of the same. I keep re-reading things, but this far in, you'd think I'd have at least someone else I fairly strongly believed to be town, but I don't. The day 1 no-lynch didn't help much and I see a wagon that seemed more deadline rushed than entirely based on belief. My vote is on Adalia due to inconsistencies, I just can't get past the idea that maybe at the beginning of the day that was a legitimate attempt to get a power role to reveal. And then the threat how we lose if we vote him off. Of course then there are those pointing that out and its hard to tell if that is in good faith or helping guide us to their "right" conclusion.

Question for you. I've missed a few games, has Drealmer ever been scum in a normal game? If so, was there any difference in playstyle?
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RWarehall: Question for you. I've missed a few games, has Drealmer ever been scum in a normal game? If so, was there any difference in playstyle?
He was my buddy during prohibition. Not really a "normal" game, I guess. But I would say he's developed a style that is extremely difficult to read alignment. Good for him.
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adaliabooks: you are still town right?
-If there are any alignment changing mechanics in play, then I don't know anything about them.
-Krypsyn has been reported as saying there aren't really any bastard elements, and I'm pretty certain he would count mid-game alignment changes as a bastard element.
-JMich is the horrible human being, not Agent. (Babark and Chicken: this is a joke and a reference to a previous game)

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adaliabooks: Anyway, if you lynch me today then town definitely loses.
But it's up to you guys.
...Et tu, Adalia?

Looks like multiple other people have already jumped on you for this. If HSL is thinking what I'm thinking he's thinking...well, I don't buy it.

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RWarehall: Oh goody! I've entered the game twice! Do I get two votes?
I had some serious deja vu for a moment, when reading your reentry post.

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yogsloth: I realize this is not exactly brilliant contribution. I am almost paralyzed myself because there are lots of directions to turn that go noplace good.
Yog, I would really like to see some analysis from you. I know you're in a tough spot, but I'm sure you can find some game related things to comment on.
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yogsloth: I think my vote is going to stay on RWarehall.

No offense to you RW, believe me I am keenly aware of the difficulty of subbing in as I'm in the same boat, but I really think a4 would have given something, anything more than he did if he weren't paralyzed with fear as scum. That's my best bet; I'm sticking with it.

I realize this is not exactly brilliant contribution. I am almost paralyzed myself because there are lots of directions to turn that go noplace good.
I don't read what a4 did as scum fear. It felt more like someone who thought they knew what they were getting into, refused to accept advice early in the game because 'hey, I got this' (my paraphrase) and then finally realized they were in over their head after the hammer incident. I understand why someone would vote for her/RWarehall. I lean more towards noob error then scum. If she's scum, I'd also like to think her scum team would have provided some advice N1 that may have improved her approach to the game on D2.
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adaliabooks: Anyway, if you lynch me today then town definitely loses.
I'll roll the dice on this one.

Unvote RWarehall

Vote adaliabooks