Newbie error I guess. I'm just worried I might be missing something. Wouldn't it be better if the special townies identified themselves so we could put them to work immediately? Somebody's going to die tonight so we might as well start investigating.

Not sure I understand what you mean. Post 20 contains a single vote. Depending on the game, a multiple voter may either have one vote that counts as many (so wyrm's vote in post 20 would count as multiple votes) or they may have multiple votes, each of which counts as one. Again, depending on the game, the extra votes may or may not be public, both in casting and in vote counts.

Or do you mean something else entirely?

Is there anything that comes to your mind that makes you think it might actually be a bad idea to claim at L-1? I don't even see why we'd consider not claiming at L-1, but, I'm open to hearing reasons why possibly not to.

My initial thought upon hearing the questions is, yes, L-1 should claim just like normal. Even if we don't get a full flip to confirm their claim if they get lynched, it will give us more than nothing to start to form a picture on, plus I think that will help a coroner decide whether to use their power on a target or not.

This makes my head hurt and kind of looks like a scum-slip to me. *takes note*



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poke lotc - you'd have yogsloth's vote on you by now if he were playing :þ

No. Since scum win by identifying (and killing) the power roles, those should not reveal themselves unless they really have to. While making a power role claim may prevent people from lynching you, you will most likely be targeted for the night kill, and it's uncertain whether you will survive it (with all the WIFOM of why did you survive).

Do feel free to make suggestions to the roles, but keep in mind that they may or may not ignore you.

^^^^^
This. Unforced vanilla claims hurt town more than a typical game.

oops, mispoke

*poke locw*

Agreed. I also think it makes more sense with an open setup, and even more so with the fact that we don't know the 3rd power role.

We don't know if the person with the 3rd power role even knows they have it or if they do if they know its abilities yet, or if it will get revealed to them D2 with the rest of us, or whatever else.

unvote drealmer7

vote no-lynch

A no lynch is more viable if there really are no flips, but it's still not a good idea right now. We will not know if there are flips or not on lynch until we lynch someone.

No lynch?! Are you out of your mad mind??

Clearly scum

Unpoke TheGOGfather

Unvote flubbucket
Vote lotsofchickenwings
to get yarr attention?
Unvote lotsofchickenwings

Vote drealmer7

Yeah, and it is a bit early to vote no-lynch anyway, I think, but I wanted to get the vote off myself and got al ittle no-lynch happyf. I probably should have simply unvoted. Actually I will do that. I don't think it does good to talk much about no-lynch atm (just good to have that thought in the back of the mind while things progress), maybe later in the day, but other things must develop first and it shouldn't be a distraction (hopefully me voting/unvoting it doesn't make too much a distraction.)

unvote no-lynch

*rereads flip stuff from OP*

"2. Flips will not be complete. They may not reveal much at all, in fact. "

Certainly very curious tosee what flips will entail, but I'm sure it will be discovered at some point, and lynching just to see what flips are like of course is not a reason to lynch at all (not saying you were saying it was, trent, just to be clear.)

*refresh*

heh *wink*

Who is going to be investigating anything at this point?
-The doctor doesn't investigate, he tries to prevent NK's (night kills, scum's single night action).
-The coroner has no dead bodies to investigate (yet; we'll likely have one for him before N1 (night 1)).
-The third PR might not have any sort of investigation at all. Maybe their night action is to send fruit to another player. Maybe they are lynch proof (a passive ability). Maybe they send out flying monkeys to steal a dog from another thread.

The problem with outing any/all of the town PR's right now is that it means Scum know exactly who to kill in order to win, and we have basically no chance of stopping them. We'd effectively be on a timer, and we'd have to lynch scum every single day in order to win before they kill us. As long as the scum don't know who they need to kill to win, they may target townies that don't advance their win condition.

If a PR claims, they're very likely to die that night, especially if it is the doctor. Also, scum may try to save themself from a lynch by claiming a PR because town really doesn't want to kill PR's. Assuming we get nothing from any flip, then no claims would keep scum from knowing their win progress.

Of course, it also means town may have jack-all for analysis.

Like I said, giving town three lives has made me re-check many of my normal assumptions. For example: does scum auto-win if it comes down to the town doctor, town coroner, a town vanilla, and 3 scum? Seems like the answer would be "yes", since town can't lynch scum at that point, but scum can still NK town.

I'm curious how that looks like a slip. To me, it looks like simple logic.
Assume no flips and no claims.
-Neither town nor scum know when a town PR has died.
-Town doesn't know when scum have died, though scum know when scum die.

Have you been revealing more secret stuff to select players...?

You know, that would be really kind. I like melons by the way.

errr, no claims, I was forgetting that part, hmmm okay then...

*does some more thinking*

hmmm *dirty thoughts come to mind*

Wait for Night, and don't kill me.